Posted on 12/14/2013 2:47:12 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
GOP firebrand Tim Huelskamp adds: "Rumors Ive heard is [Boehner's] not going to be running for speaker again
By a 332-to-94 vote Thursday night, the House passed a budget deal that despite taking money from federal workers pockets and leaving long-term unemployed in the lurch was staunchly opposed by major right-wing groups. Among the critics was Tea Party stalwart and Kansas congressman Tim Huelskamp, whom Boehner kicked off the Budget Committee in an alleged purge last year. In an interview before the vote, Huelskamp charged that the deal doesnt avoid a government shutdown, told Salon he hears rumors Boehners retiring, and skewered Paul Ryans response to right-wing attacks on the deal he brokered. A condensed version of our conversation follows.
Congressman Ryan described this as an agreement that does not raise taxes, that does reduce the deficit and produces some certainty and prevents a government shutdown. Why do you disagree with his assessment?
I think I disagree with all of those points
It doesnt avoid a government shutdown. We still have to pass an omnibus bill Knowing and guessing what Harry Reid might do not knowing but just guessing, I mean is that hes going to ask for more. Hes going to ask for unemployment compensation, something along that lines, as part of the omnibus. And he indicated theres more debates between now and Jan. 15. And so therell still be that debate. The only way again, the only way you avoid a shutdown is you give everything the other side wants. And my guess is Harry Reid will continue to demand more things.
Secondly, it does raise taxes. You can call them fees, you can call them revenue enhancers whatever. But its just more money going into Washington And the new moneys going to spending and somebodys got to pay for the $63 billion spending increase.
And I know Paul Ryan and the speaker have also claimed this is a deficit reduction bill again. Thats only assuming that in 2022, Congress is going to maintain these sequester cuts that theyve put newly into the bill, or into the law. And at the same time theyre undoing the sequester, theyre claiming sometime after the 2022 election, better things will happen. And that strains credibility for folks to even make such a claim. Its a spending increase, and theres no ifs, ands or buts about it.
So do you expect well see another government shutdown?
I dont know. Again, it depends what Harry Reid and the speaker do. But again, judging what Harry Reid was willing to do during the shutdown, and not vote on anything, and demand and demand and demand, I think the die might be set, where he recognizes that our Republican leadership are going to eventually cave. And hes going to demand something, and theyre going to say, Gosh, if we dont give it to him, well shut the government down.
Harry Reid just might do that. Its hard to tell, hard to predict. But I know its not over yet
Even if they dont want to go above the numbers that will be voted on in the House today, theres plenty of disagreements how you move the money around Theres dozens and dozens of riders on environmental issues, for example, that House Republicans will demand will be in there, and Barbara Boxer will demand will be out, and therell be a lot of debate. So theres a long ways to go before we can say theres a deal that funds the government for the rest of the year
And so what are your red lines to continue to fund the government?
For myself and quite a few other conservatives, we had settled on: OK, well keep the sequester. Thats our line. And the sequester is not where I wanted to be I think its not the best way to make cuts but its what President Obama, Sen. Reid and Speaker Boehner agreed to, and got a majority of House and Senate a majority of Democrats, I think maybe a majority of Republicans, voted for this deal. And now theyre undoing that. So Republicans, conservatives, are drawing the line, saying lets keep the sequester. Thats the law of the land, and there is just no excuse for Republicans abandoning what was their claim to victory for the past two and a half years. And we heard that for all of October Never fear, were gonna hold the sequester. They told us that in January, February, March, April, through the entire year, until this plan was announced.
So whos to blame for this plan?
The ones who negotiated. I think that you have to give the credit to the Democrats. They did a great job in negotiating a very favorable deal. They got $63 billion in new spending. They got the Republicans, in doing that, to abandon the sequester, to abandon the position of that we want to reduce the deficit. And I think the biggest losers were the American people They didnt want another $63 billion in deficit spending just for Washington to be able to go home quickly in December. Just very disappointed in the whole plan.
So when Rep. Ryan decries the criticism of his deal from the right as a a strange new normal, and says its funny, whats your reaction to that?
Well, I dont know how strange that is. Welcome to Washington.
Whether youre speaker, or youre a vice-presidential candidate, or youre a lowly congressman from Kansas, people disagree with you from the right and the left. And you know, Paul Ryan has quite a few things in his record that cannot be described as conservative positions. Whether its labor unions, whether its control local control of education I think he was for No Child Left Behind. You go through a whole list of those things, and clearly hes received plenty of conservative criticism for those votes. And here we are Medicare Part D, he talked about entitlement reform and he voted for the biggest Republican entitlement expansion in the history of this country. And theres nothing conservative about that.
So I dont think its anything new. But when you try to convince people somethings better than it is, you tend to embellish and try to sell it. But thats whats different about this, because the speaker is usually one to call a crap sandwich a crap sandwich. He used a different word for that, I think, in which I do not care to use that language.
But this one is still as bad as some of the other things theyve done in December, perhaps worse. And now theyre trying to tell us its a good thing, which its clearly not consistent with conservative principles. And its clearly not a deficit reduction bill, which is probably the biggest hangup for me
My understanding, hearing from Senate staff and reading that online and from my staff, is Paul Ryan and Patty Murray did put something in this agreement that would further erode the power of the Republican minority in the Senate, by applying the nuclear option to tax increases I have not heard a good explanation, or any claim from Paul Ryan that that was a good idea. So I dont know where that came from, and whos taking credit for that. But this is the deal that leadership did negotiate, which is very favorable to Harry Reid.
So do you see this deal as a crap sandwich, then?
I think this deal is an abdication of our conservative principles. Again, this has happened Ive only been up here three years. This happens about every December, when they hope the rest of America is not watching. They did that with the payroll tax deal two years ago, they did a fiscal cliff deal a year ago
Theyre hoping everybody will forget this come January. And well see what happens in the Republican conference.
No, its this is not something we should accept, in my opinion. Its going to do damage, I think, long-term to the Republican Party. I mean, conservatives have been less than thrilled with the current leadership in Washington, and this just confirms some of the deepest fears about how committed Republicans are to, you know, fiscal restraint.
You know, not even mentioned in this conversation until now is Obamacare. Thats part of it. This just continues Obamacare, not a, nary a word about it. And you know, hopefully well have a discussion on that in the omnibus. But we shall see
Will you vote for Boehner to be speaker again?
Thats a long ways off. I the rumors Ive heard is that hes not going to be running for speaker again, that hes retiring. But I dont know So I dont know if theres even a vote for him again.
And theres a lot of rumors circulating about that. You can check elsewhere. Im not the source of those rumors. I just hear about them.
Kathleen Parker: House Republicans rise up against the right wing
"......Boehners rather sudden, unexpected attack on conservative groups such as Heritage Action, FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity was to many minds overdue. He condemned the groups for forcing tea party Republicans into corners and encouraging them to fight battles they couldnt possibly win. Boehner has always thought this, insiders tell me, but had never expressed it publicly. His statements this past week were bold and consequential.
Conservative advocacy groups are using our members, and theyre using the American people for their own goals, he said. This is ridiculous.
Deliciously refreshing, if I do say. His remarks also leave tea party members of Congress a little wiggle room by implying that, though they acted in good faith, they were being manipulated by powerful forces...
...What everyone will know soon enough is that Paul Ryan is The Guy the missing leader the GOP has been searching for and who is clearly being groomed for 2016. Until then, if Boehner continues playing hardball and prevails, Democrats really may have to follow Pelosis imperative come 2014 and thereafter......"
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Then there's this bit of malarkey from Boehner's former intern, Paul Ryan:
Ryan: Boehner 'got his Irish up'
"Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) just kind of got his Irish up when he lashed out at conservative activist groups this week, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said.
.......Ryan adopted a more diplomatic tone in the interview, calling the groups indispensable.
I was frustrated, too, he said. But I think these are very important elements of our conservative family. I would prefer to keep those conversations within the family. And I think he was just basically voicing his frustration with their opposition before we had reached our agreement...........
See one mistake in Kansas congressman Tim Huelskamp remarks, if he was quoted properly and he may not have been quoted properly. The congressman most certainly knows that the deficit spending totaled over nine hundred sixty billion dollars before the agreement of making the total deficit spending for the coming year over one trillion dollars. Maybe am reading this report wrong or is Salon attempting to pull a Salon?
Republicans will face intense pressure over unemployment benefits
BY GREG SARGENT
December 11 at 12:24 pm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/12/11/republicans-will-face-intense-pressure-over-unemployment-benefits/
[snip] The imminent expiration of the Emergency Unemployment Compensation program for 1.3 million Americans is mostly being treated as a fait accompli in Washington... (Dems have created an interactive map showing how many people in each state stand to lose benefits.)... This strategy includes placing Op ed pieces by Democrats in papers that serve the districts of top Republicans, such as this one by Rep. Sander Levin in the Cleveland Plain-Dealer, the largest paper in John Boehners home state. The game plan is granular: One Democrat points out to me that stats are available on how many would lose benefits on the county level, and that Dems are trying to push these numbers into the coverage, because it is tangible for people in local communities. [/snip]
Good cop, bad cop routine.
If the Republicans are not going to get voter sympathy fo another shutdown, I don’t blame them for caving.
Pushing through change over voter polling is rare. Obamacare is the exception and we have discussed the perfect storm of circumstances that enabled it.
We have no perfect storm here.
A friend of mind who’s a very successful investment analyst:
” It’s (printing money) is a way to fund government spending wo raising taxes. So whenever people talk about spending being funded by higher taxes...reality its really being funded by money printing by the Federal Reserve. It’s perceived to be a free lunch at this point but is never ended well. Typically ends in inflation or stagflation or sharp decline in asset markets such as was the case in 1929. The fact that Washington believes money printing is our answer is a concern. They call it quantitative easing (QE) to make it sound better. But it works for both parties since Democrats get their spending and Republicans can claim they haven’t raised taxes so no one really fights it except people like Ron Paul but most people believe he’s nuts...we’ll see “
Could be due to this notation by the interviewer: “A condensed version of our conversation follows.”
That was my first thought when I heard of the House Republicans caving and the senate Republicans threatening.
Thank you for pointing that out.
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