Posted on 11/18/2013 9:37:16 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
By the time she sped off, the cop knew why. Don’t fool yourself.
You give way too much power to those who should never have had such power over our life.
I used to trust those in power. No longer. Now I look to them with a jaded view. We are letting the criminals go and arresting those who are committing trivial crimes.
We in America do not live in a society where those holding power over us has any respect for us any more. This is not the America of 2007 that it used to be. We live in a post American world. We now live in a country where everything you do or say can, and will be used against you for the furtherance of those who hold sway over our freedom.
Sorry, but as I said, this is not the America we used to have. That America is DEAD!
Live with it and trust no one holding power.
They know who she is, they know where she lives. The only reason to start shooting is if there was reasonable cause to believe she was going to hurt the children.
>> Lots of options which don’t involve endangering the children more than the woman was doing
Every option you mention carries an obvious risk of harming not only the children in the vehicle, but also the “innocent” police and perhaps other “innocent” motorists as well.
You conjure up options the police might have chosen that (in your opinion) might not have resulted in harm. However it’s quite easy to point out how those options — e.g. hitting a tack strip in a minivan doing 100mph — CERTAINLY WOULD put the occupants of the vehicle at risk.
However, the PROVABLE fact is, the option the cops DID choose DID NOT result in physical harm to ANYONE. Given that indisputable fact, I fail to understand why they did the wrong thing.
Less risk then breaking out windows and opening fire.
>> Now I look to them with a jaded view.
I look at them with a jaded view as well.
However, increased skepticism does not dictate that I check my common sense and powers of observation at the door and find the police guilty 100% of the time, facts of the matter notwithstanding.
“However, the PROVABLE fact is, the option the cops DID choose DID NOT result in physical harm to ANYONE. Given that indisputable fact, I fail to understand why they did the wrong thing.”
You fail to see why opening fire one someone who doesn’t represent a risk is a problem?
lol maybe they had some extra ammo to use up
The biggest problem is that those who should be law officers are deemed too radical by the powers that be. So in reality, the ones who get hired are the true radicals, ie the Barny Fife’s of the world, who should never have even gotten past the application stage, but they are the ones who will willingly listen to unconstitutional orders while allowing illegals to drive by without thinking twice.
Yep. Taos is special. About half the 60's hippies live there. It is also speed trap central. I went through the area in September, my EWO* was very busy.
*The escort radar detector is known as the electronic warfare officer. Don't drive in NM without one.
Do they not have dogs for the cops to shoot?
That’s right; I fail to see how the actions the cops engaged, the results of which we KNOW, represent higher risk than the actions you recommended, which actions have unknown but indisputably high risk.
Maybe you should look up the definition of risk. Hint: after the fact, when the outcome is KNOWN, there IS none.
Put another way — a) it was said they shot at the tires and b) no one was injured by gunfire. These are FACTS. Therefore, maybe instead of pumping round after round of gunfire INTO the van — as you suggest — maybe the cops really DID shoot only at the tires — apparently, skillfully and successfully. I have fact based evidence of this. You have only conjecture on your side.
What’s more, only an idiot or a hyperpartisan with an agenda would deny that hitting a tire-flattening strip in a loaded van at high speed does NOT constitute a serious risk to the physical well-being of its occupants, and of those nearby.
You think those kids were all buckled in by a loving, caring mom?
They pumped multiple round at a moving target full of kids. There is no “at the tires”. They could easily have hit someone in another vehicle.
For a woman guilty of a minor traffic violation.
Hitting a spike strip which deflates the tires gradually is certainly less risky then shooting out those tires and risking collateral damage.
You think those kids were all buckled in by a loving, caring mom?
I believe that the cops overreacted in the end, using excessive force; but the woman driver also acted foolishly, and disregarded the instructions of law enforcement officers.
That’s a straw man argument.
The point wasn’t that she was breaking the law — the point was that the solutions involving boxing her in and tire flattening puts unbelted children in the van at EXTREME risk.
Do you know that until I was in my 30’s I always drove without using seat belts?
Man, I should have been locked up with ted Bundy.
I also used to J-Walk, and roll through stop signs with out stopping, hitch hike on freeways, shoot fireworks on the 4th of July, drink beer in a public park with children around, and I even smoked inside federal buildings.
Wow, I never realized how badly I needed to be shot by those law officers hired to enforce such laws in America.
By their own admission they fired in the direction of children. Anyone that things that endangering them less than speeding is nuts.
Smashing windows and shooting at kids? Wow, cops get touchy if you don’t lick the boots fast enough.
>> They pumped multiple round
Can you say the number “three”? Multiple sounds so much more scary though.
>> There is no “at the tires”.
” A colleague fired three rounds at the rear tires “in an attempt to keep the vehicle from leaving,” he wrote.”
http://www.taosnews.com/news/article_401433ae-4d74-11e3-9e84-001a4bcf887a.html
>> They could easily have hit someone in another vehicle.
The high-speed chase over tack strips you’re suggestion could easily have injured or killed someone in another vehicle — happens frequently.
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