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Tesla to Target Rich, Environmentally Conscientious Rednecks?
NLPC ^ | November 18, 2013 | Mark Modica

Posted on 11/18/2013 8:44:30 AM PST by jazusamo

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To: thackney
Torque of 420 @ 2500 rpm.

My first diesel (a small 4 door sedan) had 425 ft lbs @1700 rpm...my current diesel (a mid sized sedan) has 400 ft lbs @ 1700 rpm.

21 posted on 11/18/2013 9:17:16 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: jazusamo
Of course, what Musk is really a genius at is getting politicians to fund his private businesses ventures with taxpayer money so they don't have to make a profit.

Its not JUST politicians...

Musk is an expert at getting green liberals, (who don't understand or believe in free markets), to support what are in essence stock based pyramid schemes.

Musk starts a real company with a real product (probably with a government loan). But the company does not generate a profit. Musk will CLAIM the enterprise makes a profit with some sort of non-GAAP accounting. Musk will claim the company is slated for supernatural growth, and his worshippers will buy, buy buy, the stock regardless of fundamentals.

IF you are the first one in, you can ride the stock up and make a profit from other deluded investors who buy in after you. Musk can dilute the stock with additional offerings to raise even more money (how he paid off his stimulus $500,000,000 loan).

But the VALUE is taken from the investor - not created in the factory. So a snazzy, shiney pyramid scheme.

22 posted on 11/18/2013 9:24:36 AM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: thackney

The ford F-150 with the ecoboost is the snizzle! Great truck!


23 posted on 11/18/2013 9:26:07 AM PST by isthisnickcool (NO MORE IRS!)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

I haven’t paid attention to Musk until the Tesla all-electric started selling but your post seems to fit that perfectly. I don’t see how he can keep finding enough buyers for a car in that price range to keep investors interested.


24 posted on 11/18/2013 9:35:17 AM PST by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: jazusamo
It might also be time to step back and ponder the genius of Musk's latest idea. It is for Tesla to compete with Ford's best selling F-series trucks by offering up an electric pickup truck.

How are these expected to fare in high water?

25 posted on 11/18/2013 9:40:46 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: truth_seeker

The Volt and the Prius are actually very different. The Prius is a gasoline powered car, that scavenges wasted energy, and converts it to electricity for use. So Prius concept = Gas Car with electric assist. Its a 134 hp car, weighing 3,300 lb...fully capably of performing like a normal car while running on gasoline.

The Volt is the opposite. It is an electric car, with gas assist. And the gas assist is somewhat lacking...84 hp for a 3,800 lb vehicle. Ignoring the losses involved in converting this power to electricity to run motors, the power to weight ratio is 1 hp per 45 lb. What car compares to this? I have a hard time finding one. The Prius is 1 hp per 25 lb, or almost 50% better. Remember the Geo Storm inline three cylinder car? It got 95 hp, but weighed a thousand lbs less. How about the Yugo...it only got 65 hp, but weighed 2,000 lbs less...or a 1 hp per 30 lb ratio....still 33% better than the Volt. It really is hard to find a car with poorer specs.

So what does this mean? Well, lets just say the Volt won’t win any drag races in gasoline mode...and remember, after the first 40 miles (equivalent to approx. one gallon of gas), you’re in full time gas mode. The online Volt manual has ‘mountain mode’. What is this? Essentially, the gas engine can’t get you up a sustained incline, maintaining highways speeds. So, if you know a hill is coming up, you pre-emptively drive in degraded mode while in the flatlands...switching to gas only mode, to conserve electrical power...so the electrical power can be used to get up the hill.

So should a Volt owner have range anxiety? I’d say that a Volt owner could not drive in the same manner as an ordinary driver, in some situations. And, frankly, if there’s a mountain between you and home...you may not get over it, without doing some charging, depending on whether or not you’ve planned ahead with mountain mode. Bottom line, its not just like driving any other car. Range is probably unlimited (although I’d love to see a Volt go through the rockies to prove the concept)....but you may be in the emergency lane doing 35 mph.


26 posted on 11/18/2013 9:41:20 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

LOL! I don’t know but it may just light up your life.


27 posted on 11/18/2013 9:42:44 AM PST by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: Gay State Conservative

And this is a gasoline.

I was planning to make my next truck a diesel for the towing capacity, but this Ford combination is making me reconsider.


28 posted on 11/18/2013 9:51:12 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: isthisnickcool

A family we ride with is using one to pull a gooseneck four horse trailer with living quarters. A big thing but I don’t know length and weight.

He has nothing but good to say about that truck.


29 posted on 11/18/2013 9:52:48 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: jazusamo
Just FYI to those that own EV stocks (and/or care about the folly of Lithium EV tech):

The Trouble with Lithium 2
30 posted on 11/18/2013 9:52:54 AM PST by logi_cal869
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To: nascarnation
And, of course, electricity in Indianapolis is generated by burning good old high sulfur Indiana bituminous coal.
31 posted on 11/18/2013 11:19:23 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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She gets “free” juice at her “environmentally conscious” employer downtown LOL.

She’s got a long commute and claims she’s gonna come out ahead. Only when we find out the resale value can we make the final calculation. Of course gas has gone from $4/gal to $3/gal.


32 posted on 11/18/2013 12:27:13 PM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone you see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: pepsionice

Or what happens to them (or the vehicles) when they go muddin’.


33 posted on 11/18/2013 2:17:31 PM PST by ro_dreaming (Chesterton, 'Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. ItÂ’s been found hard and not tried')
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