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To: Zeneta
I, too, was amazed to read that posting at the Christianity Today article, which I included in that lest post, and how it very nearly approximated what it was that I posted to you.

Pride comes before the fall.

She is merging the quotation straight from the Proverbs:

"Pride commeth before destruction and an haughty spirit before a fall" (Proverbs 16:18)

I keep coming back to the question of "Free Will".

Here's my take on free will: One is not truly free unless one choses to be governed by God's will.

Ergo, we are free to do what's right in God's eyes, because it affirms God's Natural Law, or we will choose to be judged according to God's Natural Law should we choose not to align our hearts toward Him and conform our spirits to His.

FReegards!

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19 posted on 10/18/2013 5:48:04 AM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: Agamemnon
First, I'd like to thank you for continuing this discussion.

Here's my take on free will: One is not truly free unless one choses to be governed by God's will.

I agree, and from a Christian perspective this makes sense.

The challenge, as it relates to the original post, lies with the evolutionists/Liberal/Progressive/Statist etc. and their own understanding of what they believe.

Oprah Winfrey, is coming under attack from atheists for her recent attempt to explain to Diana Nyad something along these lines. Unfortunately, Oprah did not handle this well and it was not the proper setting to begin with.

It is extremely difficult to have an honest discussion or an open examination of the foundations of belief with the group I mentioned above. Engaging them is one thing, staying engaged is quite another. Ironically, it is the atheist that thinks it is the Christian that has not examined these deep issues. In my experience, Christians that have been "born again" or have been forced to defend their faith run circles around the atheist. As a result, the atheist feels threatened and either runs from the discussion or resorts to personal attacks.

You can destroy the atheist with just a handful of questions.

Hit the right question, at the right time and you may be able to witness the physical response of Cognitive Dissonance. It is distress, confusion followed by anger and in some cases rage. I have been physically attacked for asking a series of questions based on their answers.

They don't want to hear it.

They will fight for their right to be ignorant.

I am convinced that you can't "tell" anybody anything that they are not willing to hear.

Short of personal "crisis", there are fewer and fewer people that willing to examine the foundations for their belief, much less change that foundation.

Full circle.

We have a group of Liberal/Progressive/Democrat/Statists/Atheist etc...that are doing everything they can to empower our government with the ability to remove any and all possibility of crisis from occurring.

Until they see a tipping point where they are confident they will be seen as the only solution.

20 posted on 10/18/2013 12:04:22 PM PDT by Zeneta
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