Israeli women of the IDF carry at all times, so do the men, in public. They sleep with their rifles. They get to know their weapons intimately. Trusted and expected to be trusted.
Posted on 09/17/2013 12:14:05 PM PDT by pansgold
“Too much can go wrong when 10,000 to 35,000 people are carrying loaded firearms around the base. Not everybody has good judgement. Everyone does not follows proper procedure. Not everyone has impulse control.”
My town has 10,000 various people in it, many that are on military bases during working hours. Most have weapons at home and many have concealed carry permits.
So, at what point between their homes and their military posts did they become untrustworthy with weapons? I mean, our town doesn’t have random killings so why do you think those military posts would when occupied by those same people?
“You must consider that firearms training is greatly improved”
Even the Air Force now has recruits in basic issued an M-16.
“In this case the swat team responded and nearly took out everyone in the common room.”
Funny but really sad.
“:The problem is that they should not need to repel or neutralize an attack when not in a combat zone.”\
There is no such thing. ALL military personnel are considered war fighters at all times. They are targets at all times. The military must always be run as such. Of course it isn’t and that has invited attacks.
I can guarantee you that in one particular unit where we are armed at all times no one would think for a nanosecond about using violence against us. Unarmed, PC, pansy military offices are prime targets for frustrated cowards.
I am of the belief that all officers should be armed at all times with a sidearm and all enlisted the same if not issued a rifle where practical.
Israeli women of the IDF carry at all times, so do the men, in public. They sleep with their rifles. They get to know their weapons intimately. Trusted and expected to be trusted.
“When I was in Viet Nam, once we came back from a patrol (that could last 15 to 20 days) we would have to leave our weapons in our tents. We could not carry weapons on base.
While in the field, we could not have a round in the chamber (they did random checks and would punish any that they caught).
I always wondered why I could be trusted with a loaded gun in the field but not at the base (which by the way came under attack on a regular basis). Sometimes people in authority are just insane.”
Back in 68/69 whenever a VIP visited the base we had to remove the firing pins from our weapons and turn them in to the company commander because we couldn’t be trusted with a functional and loaded weapon while some politician was on base.
Now that rule made sense?
Think about it...
“Now that rule made sense? Think about it...”
It served two purposes: With the draft I would think a few soldiers would love to take a shot at a polidiot. Second, if the enemy attacked you all could hide, re-arm, but let the polidiot get killed.
We never went that far.
You have to wonder if they were afraid of the troops, perhaps they should rethink their policies.
Most of Israel is a “combat zone” and having your weapon at hand is good policy.
So a perp starts shooting up someplace on a base. All within hearing distance draw or shoulder their weapons and move toward the sound of the gun fire. Upon arriving at the scene they find another group of armed soldiers. Who do they shoot?
As I said before, I am not anti-gun. We are going to disagree about this issue.
BTW what does your screen name "CodeToad" refer to? computer coding or Morse code?
Define “Combat Zone”. Chicago? New York? Washington City? You are safer on the streets of Kabul, statistically speaking.
The attacks on Fort Hood, Fort Dix, the recruiters in Arkansas, and etc. are not anomalies. This is an asymmetric war, there are NO safe rear areas. Not even your living room.
While this murderer was not a terrorist, that we know of, there are plenty of hippies and other national socialist who would like to do the same thing.
The security and protection needs to be increased so that our bases are safe for our troops and their dependents.
As with “shall issue” or open carry states, crime goes down when the perps know that their victims might shoot back. Allowing some military personnel, say all officers and NCO’s, to carry at all times would prevent this type of thing. Also you would have to allow them to have ammunition beyond one or two magazines, which apparently the Washington Navy Yard security personnel were not allowed to have.
The last 2 attacks were from properly credentialed actors that escaped scrutiny before perpetrating their attacks.
But I thought background checks were RACIST!? Yes, clear failure of the system. Regan, peace be upon him, screwed up when he cleared out the metal hospitals.
Nope. Not openly. But only because the cops up here still aren’t as happy about an armed populace as they are elsewhere.
I do open carry around my property. My neighbors don’t mind.
I have been to a couple of Open Carry events up here. No problems...
Exactly...
And thank you.
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