Posted on 08/23/2013 2:51:08 PM PDT by iontheball
Remaining in the Republican Party is political necrophilia.
/johnny
/johnny
Just wait until the usual show up as they always seem to in order to call me a drunk, post pictures of Yosemite Sam on a dragon and claim the argument won. You know, same as always.;)
The funny thing is though that as SJB and I were noting the other day, more and more Freepers are waking up and saying no more. We are making a difference. And as those people come to understand the mistakes of the past and see the dead end of the GOP as it has and continues to become, the screaming by the sycophants gets shriller.
In the last 3 days I have seen many names who I have debated with in the past now say no more/never again. Whether or not they listened to us or came to that decision on their own I could care less really. I’m just happy that OUR ranks grow here by the day.
And the louder the sycophants scream, the bigger gets my HAPPY ;)
Americans have gone so far left that they won't vote for a Conservative, either, and if the free money doesn't run out by 2016, they'll vote for more. That's the reality you have to deal with.
Throwing a fit, or attacking those that didn't vote for the liberal(R) isn't going to help the GOP.
So posting why you disagree with something is "attacking" someone who isn't even the person you originally posted to.
Run a conservative, people will vote for them.
That would have worked in 1980, when Americans voted to be put back to work. In 2012, they voted to continue getting their government freebies.
Right now, pretty much the only choice is left or left-light because of the GOP-E.
And who in the GOPe pointed a gun at our heads and told us to nominate Romney?
That's because the voters who elected the RINOs oppose you, or at least oppose what you support.
That's why we are losing. In 1980, Americans voted to be put back to work. In 2012, they voted to continue getting their government freebies, and they probably will again if the free money doesn't run out. Do you have an answer for that, or will you take the easy way out and keep blaming the "GOPe"?
The Cold War ended under Bush. And after a recession when the economy had to adjust from Cold War to peace time, the economy was growing for over a year and a half when he was voted out.
Not that I agree with everthing either he or his son did, but their biggest failure (IMHO) was letting the left and the MSM walk all over them. For that reason and others, I'm in the "READ MY LIPS, NO NEW BUSHES" crowd.
George HW Bush caused that issue. What was worse his son GW Bush brought in the same crew of Stooges dear ole dad had to finish what his dad and Clinton didn't. The GOP needs to take a good hard look at what it has become and why.
They know why, because that's what the voters are voting for.
I agree many of the elected leaders are weak, but they are also ELECTED.
They are counterproductive to the Conservative cause.
Or maybe they were nominated by Americans who don't support the Conservative cause.
But we didn't, and the third party voters may have given Clinton the election.
Fortunately, your opinion means less than nothing.
/johnny
I've gone over another claim like this before. What are the details of this occurrence?
There were also rule changes at the convention to block conservatives.
There were MANY more occurances, like VA.
/johnny
A majority of Republicans want the party to be more conservative.
George W Bush could have had an easy landslide win over Gore. The GOP wins big wins running Conservative. Reagan did it twice remember? Can we blame the media when neither Bush had the balls to stand up to them? That was what made Reagan. Oh and it was Reagan Policies and Doctrines that brought the end to the Cold War. Poppy Bush ended the Cold War My Eye LOL that was a real good one. Got any more funny ones?
Poppy's Thousand Points of Liberalism turned off the Conservative base in 1992. Just like Bob Dole Say's and the 1996 Convention Talk Show Libby act did with Liberals Suzie and Christie all running the 1996 Convention. That one made me want to hurl. That was my last GOP vote for POTUS in the General Election.
Dole ran left & Clinton ran right. Poppy ran left & Clinton ran right. W ran on I believe what Al Gore does too and darn near lost. Had Gore not been closely tied to Clinton's scandals it would not have even been a close election it would have been Gore by a landslide. True to his word W was pretty much like Al Gore on most issue the Big Government Expansionist he was.
Thanks to the GOP Majority Idiots in both house under Bush's blind leadership many of whom W and Rove help put in office over Conservatives the nation was taken further left which is the Big White RINO Elephant in the room. That's the Elephant that surrenders to Obama and cries please don't pick on us too the media. They are spineless, gutless, cowards, and the problem and not a part of the solution.
They got there thanks to loyal Dolt GOP voters who would vote for Hillary Clinton if she was suddely a Republican nominee saying what a great grand victory it was for the party. If you can't grasp that then no one can help you.
The Bushes brought back in disasters like Rummy {grand master of the to follow hollow Carter military} and Downsize our military Cheney. Carter was a disaster but the military thanks to Ford and Rummy was already in a huge mess including the walk away military a policy Rummy talked about using again. By that I mean if you wanted out of the service you walked off. It was rampant in 1976 and ended in about early 1978. If you meet someone who says yea I was in for a couple of years in the mid 1970's you can almost bet they did this. Not all as some were Honorable Discharges for Honorable reasons but most were not. No one ask to see DD 214's or Discharges anymore.
We've had every POTUS both parties since 1989 making the same mistakes and expecting different results while the PartyBot Clowns say Duh Dat Ok It's Our Party Doing It Now Go Team mentality.
We need some Conservatives nowI don't care which party they are from. McCain, Rubio, Graham, Romney, Alexander, Corker, Boehner, Cantor, McConnell, Kyle, and the host of other RINO's has been a disaster. The man who last ran against Corker a DEM was far more Conservative. It's called Enabling. I loathe them politically as much or likely more so than the DEMs who at least are what they say they are.
You need to look around.
The Bush family and RINO -E' now in power like them are far closer to Carter, Clinton, and Obama, than they've ever been toward Reagan policies. Of course we have several self anointed Paid By Donors to both sides Media Hacks calling themselves the voice of the GOP Political ANALyst saying they are the voice of the people. Did it ever occur to you that the same donors pushing Obama, Hillary, and others also support Da Bushes, Christie, Romney, Take a Dive for Obama John McCain, etc? You've been Hoodwinked. Wake Up!
Is this what you're referring to?
There were also rule changes at the convention to block conservatives.
Such as?
There were MANY more occurances, like VA.
Four GOP candidates fail to make Virginia primary ballot, judge rules
From the link I think you're referring to:
"Given the choice between a more moderate course and a more conservative one, 54 percent choose a more conservative one, while 41 percent choose moderation."
54% of Republicans which is about what % of the total of voters? That's the real problem. How do we win these voters over to our side?
"And asked about whether their party has compromised too much, too little or just the right amount, Republicans split into three pretty equal camps. Just 29 percent say it hasn’t compromised enough."
Only 1/3 of REPUBLICANS thought the GOP compromised too much.
No, Reagan ran as a Conservative in 1980, at a time when Americans wanted to be put back to work. In 2012, Americans voted for free abortions and birth control, free government benefits, legitimization of the homosexual liftstyle, and the Fed to continue covering for the unions.
George W Bush could have had an easy landslide win over Gore.
Please. Unemployment was still low, the DOW was still high (although the tech bubble had burst), and Americans had voted several of the GOP out in 1998 for impeaching Clinton. It was a mircale Bush was competitive at all.
Can we blame the media when neither Bush had the balls to stand up to them?
No, but we can blame the MSM for it's bias and what it's feeding to the public, as Freepers are constantly pointing out.
Oh and it was Reagan Policies and Doctrines that brought the end to the Cold War. Poppy Bush ended the Cold War My Eye LOL that was a real good one. Got any more funny ones?
Yes. I pointed out the end of the Cold War in response to your comment "Bush who wasted not a day dismantling the Reagan Legacy". IOW, Bush continued Reagan's legacy by finishing the job, and then pulling us quickly out of the recession that followed. I did not say that Bush himself ended the Cold War (look it up).
In an effort to prevent you from wasting more bandwidth repeating something I have already pointed out, Bush's failure was in getting this out over the MSM.
They are spineless, gutless, cowards, and the problem and not a part of the solution.
So, vote 'em out in the primary.
They got there thanks to loyal Dolt GOP voters who would vote for Hillary Clinton if she was suddely a Republican nominee saying what a great grand victory it was for the party. If you can't grasp that then no one can help you.
Read on this thread how many times I said it was the VOTERS who keep electing these RINOs. If you can't grasp that what you just posted agrees with what I've been saying, then no one can help you.
We need some Conservatives nowI don't care which party they are from. McCain, Rubio, Graham, Romney, Alexander, Corker, Boehner, Cantor, McConnell, Kyle, and the host of other RINO's has been a disaster.
And yet they keep getting nominated. Why? Because Americans are leaning further left than they used to.
The Bush family and RINO -E' now in power like them are far closer to Carter, Clinton, and Obama, than they've ever been toward Reagan policies.
The Bushes were not as Conservative as I would have liked, but the UAW bailout and gay marriage would not have happened if they were President.
As for the "GOPe" RINOs, they were elected. What we need is a shift to the right among the populace so we can get Conservatives elected.
You've been Hoodwinked. Wake Up!
What part of my statement above do you think is wrong.
I guess we'll just have to disagree. The GOP for over 100 years has had leaders aligned with The Progressive {Liberal} Movement. Among the most notable and the springboard as such was Theodore Roosevelt. Since that time it's been back and forth with at least some balance up until the past two decades.
The Progressive GOP has now solidly aligned itself with the Democratic Party thus functionally giving us a one party nation. It really doesn't matter to the DEMs if they have the office or have useful fool tools who sit and undermine all Conservative efforts.
Until all states close their primaries and end the Democratic Parties meddling {voting} in Republican primaries it is going to look like the nation is majority Liberal. Conservative states need to do unto northeastern Progressive states what they do to us. Hold the darn primary on January 1st if necessary to have their primary votes count.
If/When the GOP gets another Charismatic Conservative like Reagan who was Independent of the GOP Progressive side of the party the GOP is going to continue to be slapped by the Democratic Party. The problem was Nixon, Ford, GHW Bush and GW Bush were from the Progressive side of the party. None of them had use for Conservatives except to have them Vote & Shut Up till next election.
Right now we have another issue we should not be having in this age of the Internet which is the media dictating who is electable and who is not. The media is already pushing for either Christie, Jeb, or possibly Rubio. If you want a Conservative opinion the media will give you an opinion from The Liberal GOP Four of the Gang of Eight including John McCain as being the Conservative voice. I would not give the Gang of Eight my vote even for Sanitation Engineers.
The others, the real fighters like Rand Paul on most issues {I dislike Rand's immigration stance and is a major issue for me} and Ted Cruz get no where near the media coverage so they wisely shout louder and go to the grassroots. You know it's bad news for the GOP when even Gerardo Rivera refers to himself as a Republican. In that respect FOX News is a joke a Spin Control Central for GOP Progressive RINO's. It's as annoying now as the Tingle up Leg news network.
Think about it. Who's faces did we see before the 2012 election? Rove and Morris. Rove is a Progressive Movement Shill and was such under W. It even took a lot of Freepers a long time to take off the Rose Colored Glasses.
Back before the 2000 election many were sounding the alarm about W in here. In about 2000 a lot of persons joined whom all seemed to be pro-Bush straight GOP ticket voters for some odd reason. As a result a huge purge happened of a lot of posters who were Conservatives but did not support Bush were gone. Most of their concerns were validated as time went on.
Here's a real Gem. George, Why Don't You Sit This One Out? - Bush's political machine is ruffling local GOP feathers I posted in that one.
How Ironic. Lamar Alexander had shilled for a Tennessee RINO governor who so outraged the GOP voters during his second term the state Capitol was shut down by a Circle The Wagons Protest around the Capitol building Income Tax Revolt that the Governor Sundquist swore we just had to have or else. From Freepers who made it there I heard the horn honking was deafening LOL.
Once we got rid of RINO Governor a far more Conservative GOP eventually took over taking the state houses back and is now Two House Majority in the State General Assembly. It's really sad but the DEM governor who replaced the RINO actually was a fiscal Conservative and did by being such help save the state from bankruptcy without an Income Tax. He threatened even his own party with shutting down a Health care program that was a Prototype of Hillarycare which was rampant with fraud and corruption. That was why RINO wanted a State Income Tax.
We have another wishy washy GOP governor now but thankfully we have some strong Conservatives in our General Assembly to hold him in line.
I haven't given up on the GOP on a state level. But on the national level I think it's corrupt to the core & is being ran solely by a Donor Oligarchy which controls DEMs as well. They make the policies and set up the media support etc.
The next national election cycle or definitely 2016 may well be the last for the GOP as a national party unless Conservative voices are allowed back in. Like I said the same cabal that owns the DEMs now also run the GOP in DC.
It will take a person with a personality trait that makes them hard too ignore and also be able to energize the grassroots into revolt against the party if necessary.
If next GOP candidate is another Ford, Bush, Dole, McCain, or Romney, clone they will not win and you can take it to the bank. W's close races should have been easy wins especially in 2000. Had he acted like a Majority POTUS and lead including coming down hard on his own two houses his 2004 race would not have been close either. His Progressiveness is what darn near cost him that and the 2004 elections. Conservatives had Liberal A or Liberal B to vote for, stay home, or vote third party. That was why he nearly lost. Bob Dole syndrome.
The two GW Bush terms with a two house GOP majority has to be one of the biggest and pathetic wasted golden oppertunities for needed reform in our nation in American history. Bush was too darn wrapped up in Globalism and his stinking China trade to address the needed changes here at home. Worse was the GOP Stooges in congress that gave his office and Barack Obama as well more departments and more powers. With Republicans like them who needs Democrats? Well? Who needs them?
?? That's not the position of the Catholic Church. That is apparently the position of some rogue bishops.
Orthodox Christian churches are numerous and well-attended around here.
That's nice. They are unknown around here.
Precisely the point...of course they were nominated by Republican voters who do not like the Conservative cause.
So why be in the same Party?
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