Posted on 07/29/2013 7:22:22 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
The traitor to our country and NSA, Edward Snowden, is now making the rounds of the major Communist countries; China and Russia, with either Ecuador or Venezuela or possible Cuba being a final destination. Who knows, it may be someplace no one ever thought about.
For all of you who labeled him a hero, I must excuse your ignorance on national security issues. If you haven’t worked in the intelligence community, you have no idea the damage that this sniveling coward has done to the intelligence community’s efforts and endangered your life and those of your loved ones.. When both the Russian and Chinese governments are sheltering him, he must have a mother lode of information.
When he initially left the United States, his exodus to Hong Kong was labeled by those sympathetic to him as a hero fleeing possible torment by this government. But, why to Hong Kong, controlled by the Chinese? If he had indeed been a true NSA whistleblower, such as Bill Binnie, Russ Tice or Tom Drake..(they’re racking up, aren’t they?)….he would still be in the US. While I don’t condone the actions of the three named, I have to give them their due for not running away.
While in Hong Kong, no doubt visited and interrogated by Chinese intelligence, he is now as of this writing, in Moscow, where he will be similarly interrogated. These are not the actions of a whistleblower, but of one who is not only sympathetic to Communist countries but may well be working for an organization who is friendly to one or both of these countries. Whatever the real reason is for his defection, the United States doesn’t fare well under any circumstance.
The damage to our intelligence community and national security is immeasurable. The only thing we have gleaned from this is our security policy is lacking: miserably. Unfortunately, we’ll be paying a heavy price.
Our defense department and intelligence community, thanks to the efforts of the Obama administration are already weakened. Thanks to the politically correct programs enacted: women in combat, revocation of ’don’t ask, don’t tell’ , attacks on religious freedom, restrictions on engaging the enemy in combat, and so on..we’re on very shaky ground.
Snowden was obviously working with someone else; he had to have help, considering the path he took to our enemies. He probably would have given the information to the Taliban if he wasn’t scared they might kill him just for the heck of it using religious grounds as a reason.
His visit to Moscow is especially troubling. Vladimir Putin at this point is the only leader in the world that actually acts like one. Obama certainly doesn’t; he’s too busy bowing and scraping to every other leader in the world. Putin is taking full advantage of our latest intelligence fiasco; whether or not his government had a hand in the operation still remains to be seen.
However, in his quest to bring back a better, more powerful Soviet Union, he will take all he can get from any Y Generationer who is more interested in himself and not the larger picture. By taking in Snowden, Putin is telling us that he is smarter than we are, more powerful and our days as a superpower are limited.
Vladimir Putin was affected deeply by the break-up of the Soviet Union. It was the United States who brought his country to its knees and it has eaten at him. He’s the type of man that holds a grudge. His work in the KGB and then as head of the same under the new name: Federal Security Service (FSB) demonstrates that this man is devoted to the Marxist/Russian Communist theology.
His mission to widen the influence of Russia throughout the world is in full force. There are new oil and gas supply agreements with countries throughout Europe, and supplying Japan with gas from Sakhalin Island. New military cooperation agreements with not only old Soviet republics and the Mid-East but widening into South America and Central America put us into a secondary player role. These military cooperation agreements include not just weapons, aircraft and naval vessels, but in some cases, Russian military personnel.
This man is no fool. He is cold and calculating. By allowing Snowden into Russia, he is not only getting his hands on some very important intelligence information, he will use whatever he can to bring us to our knees, not only in our national security, but anyway he can. He is thumbing his nose at us and enjoying every minute of it. Snowden may be welcomed right now, but when he can no longer give continued valuable information, he’ll be discarded.
But by that time, the damage is done to our country.
This country must get serious about its national security. We must stop using our defense department and military as a venue for implementing social policy. Security clearances must be tightened, investigations of candidates for clearances must be more thorough. There must be concerted effort throughout DOD as a whole; not just NSA.
Of course, you also must have an administration that is serious about our national security.
And the Snowden affair is what you get when you don’t have one.
I do.
We always keep our eye on them.
Does it shock you that they keep their eye on us?
What bother me here is how NONE of this is sticking to Obama.
It’s tearing the country apart but none of it sticks to Obama.
He is of to Marthas Vinyard.
I smell a rat.
The monitoring system we speak of is like a car or a machine. By itself it is neither good nor bad. That difference happens when the driver or operator determines how it is used.
Nothing that Obozo touches is clean. It is all evil. Does that make the ability to monitor necessarily bad?
The ethics of it are only as good as the operator.
“hiding behind the shirt tails of communist leaders,,”
Communist Russia? That ship has sailed. In fact, it sailed so long ago it’s already in the new world, spreading smallpox, drinking rum, and farming tobacco.
I know the Byzantine conspiracy buffs really miss the USSR, but today Russia can’t rebuild churches destroyed by the communists fast enough. They arrest people who defile them. They pass laws to protect their kids from homosexual recruiting efforts. They drill oil as fast as they can and are pushing for a gold backed trade currency. And they have a flat tax of something like 12% with a once in a lifetime house exemption.
Meanwhile, we, the supposed non-communists, are purging Christians from all aspects of society. We enshrine sodomites in the military, and in marriage. Our children learn to sing North Korean-like adoration songs about Obama. We won’t built the pipeline (to the horrified amazement of Canada). We print money as fast as we can. And it’s fairly reasonable to believe that the last election was stolen.
That communist dog won’t hunt. Snowden went somewhere where Obama cannot send operatives or drones, simple as that. Kid deserves to be safe for exposing the Obama/NSA treason.
I am a relative newcomer. Although I lurked here for years before I ever signed up and posted.
I did not call you a troll. But you are so argumentative as to suggest you are.
It was Bill Clinton, as I recall, who was said to be skillful at compartmentalizing, that is to say separating related issues in his own mind, as if they had nothing to do with one another.
I see this same syndrome on this thread. Snowden is a traitor, and Obama had nothing to do with the NSA policies of spying on the citizens of the country (and other countries as well.) Therefore, Snowden remains a traitor, and this has nothing to do with Obama. The Bill Clinton School of Compartmentalization. The buck stops with... uh... Snowden.
But it is really worse, I think. because if Snowden is a traitor then anyone who says that clearly implies that Obama is acting in the interest of the United States.
And honestly, these people that think there are actual ears listening to 400 million peoples calls 24/7 are whack.
You would need 800 million people to do it.
Sorry, I mis directed that last response.
It was intended for USS Johnston.
My mistake.
No, it is data. And machines read it. But it has a certain power to it. But also a power that can be abused.
But you are correct, it is not the 1 ringy dingy telephone operator listening to your conversation.
I suspect the Garbage man is an NSA agent and he has it out for me LOL
That SOB puts the can right in the middle of my drive so I can’t get in when I get home.
I think he is stickin it to me.
Stickin it!!!!
And whats up with that Postal worker?
Always pulling up, reading my mail, coming to the door to see if I’m home....
I understand, and we have systems in place to stop abuse.
I think Snowdens story smells.
“At FR we Hated Jamie Gorelick for her wall.”
That wall was used to justify the CIA following a terrorist around the world, and at the US border, abandoning surveillance and NOT notifying the FBI.
That’s a far cry from universal surveillance of every American. And yes, the Bush presidencies were among the very worst ever inflicted upon America. They both largely consisted of undoing everything Reagan stood for, and dismantling America to make way for the NWO. And W created a turnkey police state for Obama to use.
No pass for Bush. He also increased moslem immigration 5 fold.
I enjoyed the discussion tonight. Have a good evening. I need some rest. Full day tomorrow.
Best regards my FRiend,
TF
Youre a HAM.
I can get into Cell Phone conversations with an amalgam of old (Now banned by FCC) Technology and modern technology.
Does anyone think FCC does not have this technology?
They are monitoring.
GNight.
I need Zzzzzs too.
As I said, “It’s Complicated”.
It is possible they can if they want to. But it is very highly unlikely. Now to have a machine monitor, record and digitize the audio and phone records of almost everything transmitted is a real possibility. That can be recovered at a future time to analyze parts of the archive. That is much more likely.
” these people that think there are actual ears listening to 400 million peoples calls 24/7 are whack.”
Nobody anywhere says that. That’s a straw man. But what does happen is that they capture and store everything. And to that end, they are building the Utah center with the largest digital storage on earth.
This allows them to coerce, control, prosecute, and embarrass, anyone and everyone as they need. New political party forming? No problem to nip that in the bud. Congressman need to vote the way the party wants him to? It’s a snap.
Nobody anywhere i’ve ever heard suggests somebody is actively suggesting that someone is quite literally listening to every call and reading every email.
I imagine they do. Kinda like the surveillance can at 711 or the ATM.
can = camera
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