Posted on 07/29/2013 7:22:22 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
The traitor to our country and NSA, Edward Snowden, is now making the rounds of the major Communist countries; China and Russia, with either Ecuador or Venezuela or possible Cuba being a final destination. Who knows, it may be someplace no one ever thought about.
For all of you who labeled him a hero, I must excuse your ignorance on national security issues. If you haven’t worked in the intelligence community, you have no idea the damage that this sniveling coward has done to the intelligence community’s efforts and endangered your life and those of your loved ones.. When both the Russian and Chinese governments are sheltering him, he must have a mother lode of information.
When he initially left the United States, his exodus to Hong Kong was labeled by those sympathetic to him as a hero fleeing possible torment by this government. But, why to Hong Kong, controlled by the Chinese? If he had indeed been a true NSA whistleblower, such as Bill Binnie, Russ Tice or Tom Drake..(they’re racking up, aren’t they?)….he would still be in the US. While I don’t condone the actions of the three named, I have to give them their due for not running away.
While in Hong Kong, no doubt visited and interrogated by Chinese intelligence, he is now as of this writing, in Moscow, where he will be similarly interrogated. These are not the actions of a whistleblower, but of one who is not only sympathetic to Communist countries but may well be working for an organization who is friendly to one or both of these countries. Whatever the real reason is for his defection, the United States doesn’t fare well under any circumstance.
The damage to our intelligence community and national security is immeasurable. The only thing we have gleaned from this is our security policy is lacking: miserably. Unfortunately, we’ll be paying a heavy price.
Our defense department and intelligence community, thanks to the efforts of the Obama administration are already weakened. Thanks to the politically correct programs enacted: women in combat, revocation of ’don’t ask, don’t tell’ , attacks on religious freedom, restrictions on engaging the enemy in combat, and so on..we’re on very shaky ground.
Snowden was obviously working with someone else; he had to have help, considering the path he took to our enemies. He probably would have given the information to the Taliban if he wasn’t scared they might kill him just for the heck of it using religious grounds as a reason.
His visit to Moscow is especially troubling. Vladimir Putin at this point is the only leader in the world that actually acts like one. Obama certainly doesn’t; he’s too busy bowing and scraping to every other leader in the world. Putin is taking full advantage of our latest intelligence fiasco; whether or not his government had a hand in the operation still remains to be seen.
However, in his quest to bring back a better, more powerful Soviet Union, he will take all he can get from any Y Generationer who is more interested in himself and not the larger picture. By taking in Snowden, Putin is telling us that he is smarter than we are, more powerful and our days as a superpower are limited.
Vladimir Putin was affected deeply by the break-up of the Soviet Union. It was the United States who brought his country to its knees and it has eaten at him. He’s the type of man that holds a grudge. His work in the KGB and then as head of the same under the new name: Federal Security Service (FSB) demonstrates that this man is devoted to the Marxist/Russian Communist theology.
His mission to widen the influence of Russia throughout the world is in full force. There are new oil and gas supply agreements with countries throughout Europe, and supplying Japan with gas from Sakhalin Island. New military cooperation agreements with not only old Soviet republics and the Mid-East but widening into South America and Central America put us into a secondary player role. These military cooperation agreements include not just weapons, aircraft and naval vessels, but in some cases, Russian military personnel.
This man is no fool. He is cold and calculating. By allowing Snowden into Russia, he is not only getting his hands on some very important intelligence information, he will use whatever he can to bring us to our knees, not only in our national security, but anyway he can. He is thumbing his nose at us and enjoying every minute of it. Snowden may be welcomed right now, but when he can no longer give continued valuable information, he’ll be discarded.
But by that time, the damage is done to our country.
This country must get serious about its national security. We must stop using our defense department and military as a venue for implementing social policy. Security clearances must be tightened, investigations of candidates for clearances must be more thorough. There must be concerted effort throughout DOD as a whole; not just NSA.
Of course, you also must have an administration that is serious about our national security.
And the Snowden affair is what you get when you don’t have one.
Ahhh the creator of EMACS editor & other things.
And Uber weird Leftie.
Well, she lost me right there.
But I do apologize to her personally for being just a dumb citizen who is she feels is not sophisticated enough to understand all that big-time security thinking.
That the NWO, the American Dictator, and their collective lying memes aren't quite fooling enough people with their scare tactics? That "never letting a good crisis go to waste" is acceptable? That the violation of the 1st, 2nd, and 4th Amendments are expendable? That the gross, secret intrusion of privacy in the name of "SECURITY" is necessary?
What are you saying?
She is not currently in that business. But spent many years in it. Did you look at her bio in the “about” tab on the website?
Perspective has it’s value.
If that is not good enough for you, I am sorry.
I simply do not buy it, that the NSA and CIA are working to keep America safe from terrorist attacks. (despite several hit dramas and movies claiming they do)
Imagine a local police department was caught planting hidden cameras in everyone’s bedrooms with no warrants, and doing it in a blanket manner throughout the community. Everyone was violated.
Somebody flees to safety and blows the whistle.
I would call the whistleblower a patriot. And I would be deaf to the wailing that exposing the illegal police camera program had made it impossible for the police to use hidden cameras in a lawful manner.
In fact, id say time to disband that d@mned department, arrest several.
Or as wiser men phrased it. “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security”
It didn’t smell right the moment he spoke IMO.
He is now a man without a free country, hiding behind the shirt tails of communist leaders. And yet speaking out of both sides of his mouth that his motives were all about human rights... yet there he is in Russia, a country with the worst possible human rights.
Remember he calls himself a “WORLD CITIZEN” not an American........while he parks his butt in Russia!
I think he’s a fraudster all around and thought he could play in the big boys park and call the shots.....I am not at all surprised they “trapped him”....like the rat that he is.
BINGO
Is she proving Snowden's "harm to American security"?
IMO she's a condescending, pretentious Statist whose allegiance in NOT to the US Constitution nor the truth of the matter, NOR The Big Picture.
I don’t know anything about your past or perspective.
I'm not impressed by your attitude or present.
I don’t like your tone toward others and their opinions.
Tough s***.
Some of the CIA & NSA are. The part controlled by Obozo is in question.
Aka, The Big Picture.
Me thinks that Ann Marie, if that’s her real name, is trying to eat the delicious cake and have it, too. Because if Snowden is a traitor as she insists using an insulting language, as if that helped prove her point, if he’s a traitor, Ann Marie, then no dancing around it, then Obama and NSA are patriots defending the vital interests of the United States. Which is it?
No, I don’t think he’s a double agent either...and I really don’t think he’s a spy for another country.....but he certainly has put himself into a position where he no longer is in control of anything....and I also believe he no longer has control of what he took.
He’s been played by many...and certainly Assange has had his hand fully in this. I tend to think he’s had to give information in order to survive this and the help he’s received just this far.
Ohh, I missed something:
Jun 11, 2013
No wonder I did not know you. But I will remember in the future.
“She is not currently in that business. But spent many years in it. Did you look at her bio in the “about” tab on the website?”
People in those businesses are often extremely poor choices for whom to trust with civil liberties. Doctors would happily outlaw cigarettes, Cops would love to have universal wiretapping and be able to enter homes with no warrants, Teachers would generally ban homeschooling.
IF her bio is true, she needs to reacquaint her/himself with exactly what it was her career was all about.
If the only way the government and intelligence community can protect us is to create a creepy American “Homeland” with a full security state apparatus, then there are some serious questions to be asked,,,
Agree.
Yes, Assange was the other person in the photo you posted.
His associations reveal his nature. It is not what he tries to project.
Snowden will probably live to regret how he handled this.
Remember who created DHS.
GWB.
At FR we Hated Jamie Gorelick for her wall.
It was seen as secrecy.
DHS was a HUGE mistake.
Now we have people without HS diplomas roughing us up and taking our liberty.
Now there is no wall and things are less compartmentalized and there for, less manageable, and open to more abuse.
It’s complicated.
Freedom is a messy business.
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