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About Woodrow Wilson's concentration camps......
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Posted on 07/12/2013 7:27:07 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica

Little known is it that FDR is not the first president to have relocation camps, and Japanese Americans were not the original target. Nearly 30 years prior to World War two, German Americans were the targets and the most interesting thing is that very little is written about this. History has been virtually expunged of this topic. Historians do not write about it, so history books don't contain it, and even from various news journals at the time it was largely unreported. When it was reported, some of the blurbs on it were small and not noteworthy.

The first American President to have internment camps got away with it.

I could only find a handful such articles about the incident, one of which details the treatment of war captives. "How the United States Takes Care of German Prisoners (June, 1918)" The other stories I found are often times reported in passing, they detail the harassment of citizens, business owners, and others who clearly don't exist in a war or battle context.

One such citizen was Agathe Wilhelmine Richrath who:

MISS AGATHE WlLHELMINE RICHRATH, instructor in German at Vassar College, who has been taken into custody at Poughkeepsie on a charge of being pro-German and of circulating German propaganda, has tendered her resignation and it has been accepted. Miss Richrath will be interned as an alien enemy.

The paragraph above the one I quoted lists Dr.s Richard Goldschmidt and Rhoda Erdmann were both detained and interned as well.

Richrath's internment did actually get reported in the NY Times, along with the names of several other people in passing.

Finally, quite a scene was created when the government went after Heinrich Bockisch:

STATUS OF M. WELTE & SONS DEFINED

Official Statement Issued by Bureau of Investigation of the Alien Property Custodian

E. M. Atkin of the Bureau of Investigation, Alien Property Custodian, New York, issued the following statement on Tuesday last relative to M. Welte & Sons:

"Heinrich Bockisch, the factory manager and a large stockholder in M. Welte & Sons, Inc., was taken into custody by the United States Government on April 22, 1918, on charges of German propaganda. He was ordered interned and was removed July 2 to Fort Oglethorpe, with 17 other alien enemies.

The story talks about a fight on the street and more.

These are all names which are lost to history at this point, but what I'm getting at is that Woodrow Wilson's concentration camps were real. The government did not just intern foreigners(which is bad enough) but they also went after those who emigrated to our country, set up businesses, were attempting to be productive members of society, may have planned on staying, and some who were even full time citizens. One of the most "well known"(His name is specifically listed on Wikipedia) internees was Dr. Karl Muck, who once he was released from his year of detainment, left the country.


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KEYWORDS: fdr; nationalsecurity; presidents; progressingamerica; woodrowwilson
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To: Teacher317; rockrr
"There was no agreement about diplomatic missions, embassies, or anything else between the Union and the Confederacy,so the land and the buildings were clearly NOT Union possessions of any kind."

Yeppers, and all that time since the construction of the fort following the war of 1812 there were no Federal troops in fort Sumter.

61 posted on 07/12/2013 1:10:13 PM PDT by celmak
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sfl


62 posted on 07/12/2013 1:16:37 PM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: Teacher317; rockrr
PS: The land and the buildings of the fort were clearly Union/Federal government possessions. Even if no one was killed, they still destroyed by force of arms Federal property; an act of war!
63 posted on 07/12/2013 1:31:23 PM PDT by celmak
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To: SeeSharp

The notion that Lincoln was either Communist or progressive is absurd in the extreme.


64 posted on 07/12/2013 4:35:48 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: SeeSharp
So how exactly did the eviction of the Union trespassers at Fort Sumter threaten the US Federal Government?

So bombarding the crap out of a place for over 24 hours is defined as 'eviction'? Really?

The South started the war. The South lost the war. Cry me a river.

65 posted on 07/12/2013 4:36:01 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Teacher317
Absolute hogwash. SC had seceded, and Northern troops and equipment were being removed from all over the South.

If you mean that federal troops had been led out at the point of a bayonet while Southern authorities stole every piece of federal property that could get their mitts on, then yes.

Those Union troops who stayed behind at Ft Sumter were on foreign soil.

They were on the property of the federal government.

There was no agreement about diplomatic missions, embassies, or anything else between the Union and the Confederacy, so the land and the buildings were clearly NOT Union possessions of any kind.

If there were no agreements then I assume that means there were no negotiations about the disposition of the property, much less an offer to pay for it?

The troops there were squatters at best, who refused to leave after repeated peaceful requests and efforts to remove them.

They were army soldiers manning their post.

At some point, law enforcement will use force to remove those who refuse to comply.

By bombarding it to pieces?

66 posted on 07/12/2013 4:40:46 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: celmak
Yeppers, and all that time since the construction of the fort following the war of 1812 there were no Federal troops in fort Sumter.

Yeah, the fort built itself.

67 posted on 07/12/2013 4:41:38 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O; celmak

I think celmak was being facetious in response to a truly idiotic comment.


68 posted on 07/12/2013 4:46:17 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: AnalogReigns

The Nazis didn’t take power from a broken Germany. The Weimar Republic caused inflation (printing money rather than cutting government or raising taxes) and ended it before the Nazis took power. During the time of high inflation Germany was not terribly poor, and in fact was rather prosperous as its monetary inflation made its products very attractive to foreign nations.


69 posted on 07/12/2013 4:53:41 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Borges

The Bolsheviks in Russia came to power because Germany defeated Russia in WWI. If they had defeated France and Britain, they would have put in similar governments into France and Britain.


70 posted on 07/12/2013 4:56:06 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: rockrr
The notion that Lincoln was either Communist or progressive is absurd in the extreme.

I love the way Lincoln idolators say things like that with absolutely no argument to back it up. Lincoln is the state religion. No proof necessary. No disproof considered.

71 posted on 07/12/2013 5:04:03 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: oldbrowser

The trail of tears was in part due to cooperation of members of the various tribe that saw the movement to Oklahoma as a means to gain more political power.

“Each Choctaw head of a family being desirous to remain and become a citizen of the States, shall be permitted to do so, by signifying his intention to the Agent within six months from the ratification of this Treaty, and he or she shall thereupon be entitled to a reservation of one section of six hundred and forty acres of land, to be bounded by sectional lines of survey; in like manner shall be entitled to one half that quantity for each unmarried child which is living with him over ten years of age; and a quarter section to such child as may be under 10 years of age, to adjoin the location of the parent. If they reside upon said lands intending to become citizens of the States for five years after the ratification of this Treaty, in that case a grant in fee simple shall issue; said reservation shall include the present improvement of the head of the family, or a portion of it.”

Extract, treaty of dancing rabbit creek.


72 posted on 07/12/2013 5:04:30 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: wideawake

Or if you prefer, it happened because of the Kaiser’s military success against Russia.

After the German military success, they were able to put in a government that was well disposed to German interests, and that was the Bolsheviks.


73 posted on 07/12/2013 5:06:32 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: SeeSharp

Ft Sumter was not on South Carolina soil. Where is was had never been South Carolina soil. Rather it was built on a shoal, and its foundations were provided by granite shipped from MA and NY, at the expense of the US government.


74 posted on 07/12/2013 5:09:02 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: SeeSharp

Since Communist or Progressive notions were invented AFTER Lincoln was murdered, it seems pretty obvious that Lincoln could not have been a Communist or a Progressive.

Unless you have that darned time machine in your pocket.

Marx’s notions of communism were derived from his poor understanding of a southern plantation economy. That would make Jeff Davis more the inspiration for Marx than Lincoln.


75 posted on 07/12/2013 5:11:37 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: 0.E.O; Teacher317
By bombarding it to pieces?

Stop the nonsense already. No one died during the demonstration against Fort Sumter. A couple of Yankees did get killed during a flag lowering ceremony because their Yankee made cannon exploded. But the "attack" on Fort Sumter was just an affair of honor. South Carolina fired shots into the walls while the occupants held out until an appropriate time had passed. Then they surrendered and were allowed to leave peacefully and go home.

76 posted on 07/12/2013 5:12:15 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: Teacher317

Ft Sumter was not built on South Carolina soil. It was built on a shoal, and its foundations were laid on stone brought by the US government from NY and MA.

So if anything, it was built on NY and MA soil.


77 posted on 07/12/2013 5:14:32 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

BM


78 posted on 07/12/2013 5:15:35 PM PDT by Popman
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To: SeeSharp

I love the way Lost Cause Liberals commit multiple logical fallacies in a single sentence. Brava!


79 posted on 07/12/2013 5:19:23 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: donmeaker
Marx’s notions of communism were derived from his poor understanding of a southern plantation economy.

I've been reading your hilarious posts on this thread. You just make this stuff up as you go along don't you.

Communism predates Lincoln by two thousand years. Secular Communism predates Lincoln by about seventy years. Progressivism is the culmination of a set of policies Lincoln supported and was made possible by policies he enacted.

80 posted on 07/12/2013 5:20:12 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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