Posted on 07/12/2013 7:27:07 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica
Little known is it that FDR is not the first president to have relocation camps, and Japanese Americans were not the original target. Nearly 30 years prior to World War two, German Americans were the targets and the most interesting thing is that very little is written about this. History has been virtually expunged of this topic. Historians do not write about it, so history books don't contain it, and even from various news journals at the time it was largely unreported. When it was reported, some of the blurbs on it were small and not noteworthy.
The first American President to have internment camps got away with it.
I could only find a handful such articles about the incident, one of which details the treatment of war captives. "How the United States Takes Care of German Prisoners (June, 1918)" The other stories I found are often times reported in passing, they detail the harassment of citizens, business owners, and others who clearly don't exist in a war or battle context.
One such citizen was Agathe Wilhelmine Richrath who:
MISS AGATHE WlLHELMINE RICHRATH, instructor in German at Vassar College, who has been taken into custody at Poughkeepsie on a charge of being pro-German and of circulating German propaganda, has tendered her resignation and it has been accepted. Miss Richrath will be interned as an alien enemy.
The paragraph above the one I quoted lists Dr.s Richard Goldschmidt and Rhoda Erdmann were both detained and interned as well.
Richrath's internment did actually get reported in the NY Times, along with the names of several other people in passing.
Finally, quite a scene was created when the government went after Heinrich Bockisch:
STATUS OF M. WELTE & SONS DEFINEDOfficial Statement Issued by Bureau of Investigation of the Alien Property Custodian
E. M. Atkin of the Bureau of Investigation, Alien Property Custodian, New York, issued the following statement on Tuesday last relative to M. Welte & Sons:
"Heinrich Bockisch, the factory manager and a large stockholder in M. Welte & Sons, Inc., was taken into custody by the United States Government on April 22, 1918, on charges of German propaganda. He was ordered interned and was removed July 2 to Fort Oglethorpe, with 17 other alien enemies.
The story talks about a fight on the street and more.
These are all names which are lost to history at this point, but what I'm getting at is that Woodrow Wilson's concentration camps were real. The government did not just intern foreigners(which is bad enough) but they also went after those who emigrated to our country, set up businesses, were attempting to be productive members of society, may have planned on staying, and some who were even full time citizens. One of the most "well known"(His name is specifically listed on Wikipedia) internees was Dr. Karl Muck, who once he was released from his year of detainment, left the country.
What attacks against the Federal Government? Lincoln's War Against the States consisted entirely of the invasion and conquest of the south. Are you saying the Federal Government would have ceased to exist if the south had been left in peace?
Lincoln was the first president to implement many of the policies that would eventually become the progressive agenda. His corporate welfare program would become the regulatory state. His racist back-to=Africa fantasies would grow into the eugenics movement. And who could question his commitment to legal positivism and absolute state authority? He was the first president to issue a fiat currency (since the War of Independence that is). And he was a fervent supporter of protective tariffs. It is no coincidence that the campaign to built the Lincoln Memorial began under a Progressive administration. He was their patron saint.
If the Kaiser wins WW1, no Nazis in Germany and (possibly) no Bolsheviks in Russia.
If he won quickly enough. The Tsar abdicated in February, 1917, Lenin arrived in April with a $10 million war-chest courtesy of Max Warburg.
FYI: The best book on WWI to come out recently is IMHO Thomas Flemming’s The Illusion Of Victory: America In World War I.
How about the American Indians who were rounded up and put on reservations? Wasn’t that a type of imprisonment? They were not all wild savages killing just out of blood lust. Some were quite friendly.
But definitely Bolsheviks - the revolution happened largely because of the Czar's military failure against Germany.
This quote alone shows you're either in denial, a liar, a lunatic, or a combination of the three. The rest of you diatribe shows signs of the same thing. I can see I cannot have any kind of a logical discussion with you; good luck!
No, reservations do not warrant being compared to actual concentration camps.
And some merely owned property that others wanted. The Cherokee were deported because gold was discovered in Georgia.
Run away if you want to. If all you have left in response to my arguments are personal insults then I’ll count it as a win.
Well let's see. The put you there against your will and shoot you if you try to leave. They starve you in what they openly admit is the hope that your population will die off. If you attempt any sort of political organization that opposes them they send in the army. Surely you can allow some room for a comparison to concentration camps.
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Don’t work so hard to convince yourself of something that isn’t accurate.
SeeSharp - When you figure out what the attack on Fort Sumter was, then get back to me; that will show that there’s hope you will come out of at least one of the three deprivations I mentioned you are inflicted with.
Fort Sumter is in South Carolina you know. So how exactly did the eviction of the Union trespassers at Fort Sumter threaten the US Federal Government? The CSA was no threat to Washington. They wanted to leave it, not destroy it.
Fort Sumter was a Federal Fort when it was fired upon. This still constitutes as an attack on the Federal Government. You don’t “evict” the Federal Government with the firing of weapons; that was an act of war.
It was a police action by a sovereign state against a foreign army. And it in no way threatened the Federal Government. Washington could have continued indefinitely to exist and serve (or rule over) its remaining member states with or without a military outpost in the CSA.
>>The British just couldn’t handle the fact they might not be the big boy on the block once German naval buildup rivaled their own.<<
It’s painful to think of all the American lives that were lost fighting for England and then to see that nation falling into the pit of Islam today.
And it sure did threaten the Federal Government; it was an act of war!
Keep going, your proving more and more my point that you have one or more of the three conditions mentioned earlier.
Absolute hogwash. SC had seceded, and Northern troops and equipment were being removed from all over the South. Those Union troops who stayed behind at Ft Sumter were on foreign soil. There was no agreement about diplomatic missions, embassies, or anything else between the Union and the Confederacy, so the land and the buildings were clearly NOT Union possessions of any kind. The troops there were squatters at best, who refused to leave after repeated peaceful requests and efforts to remove them. At some point, law enforcement will use force to remove those who refuse to comply.
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