[Jeff Winston]

The alleged 1961 VSIM is dated AFTER Obama was born, so it’s completely irrelevant.

I don't think so. I do believe I also read that the codes in that manual were what applied for births that took place IN 1961.

Aside from that, if Arpaio's posse has a different manual, then why have they never produced it?

The answer's simple. They don't. They lied. They clearly claimed they had a 1961 manual, and showed everyone information from 1968 and 1969.

That's FRAUD, Sherlock.

So tell me. Why exactly do you want to put your faith in fraudsters?

[edge919]

I don't think so. I do believe I also read that the codes in that manual were what applied for births that took place IN 1961.

Right, I'm sure you did at whatever fogger website wanted to make that up. Unfortunately, there's no actual proof to support the claim, and there is contradictory evidence from the Natality Report from that same year.

Aside from that, if Arpaio's posse has a different manual, then why have they never produced it?

It's a specious question. We already know how far foggers go to discredit sources that hurt Obama. It's pretty obvious why they would hold any evidence while building the criminal case.