Team Arpaio: We Have Two 1961 Hawaiian Birth Certificates That List Negro Not African

Mike Zullo ^ | 6-20-2013

[Jeff Winston]

In other words, you can’t produce anything to back up your claim.

[MHGinTN]

That is a bold deceit, but still just a deceit. You are trying desperately to establish what you want readers to think is ‘the truth’ but it is in fact and by the posted evidence only an agglomeration of your fabrications so it can never be ‘the truth’.

[Jeff Winston]

Odd how you can’t name and demonstrate one single “fabrication” I have ever produced.

Unlike the Cold Case Posse, who CLEARLY fabricated their fraudulent evidence. And the PROOF of that is available for all to see.

Thank you for playing.

Jerk.

[edge919]

I really should know better than to bother having a discussion with you.

Stop being a drama queen. You clearly ignored the comments I posted and what I was originally responding too, and you brought up a bunch irrelevant nonsense on your own.

Stanley Armour isn't standing behind any Union Workers, they are in the back row, the coloured men are a Captain, an Officer and THREE CREW IN FRONT.

It doesn't matter. You're trying to arguing irrelevant minutia. Again, the issue I'm addressing is whether the Dunhams felt like there was a stigma involved in any such associations. This picture shows there wasn't.

Who said anything about stigma?

x, who brought it up in posts No. 121 and 176. That's what I've been responding to, before you blundered into the converstaion.

The only stigma anyone might have felt from being called a NEGRO was the man who appears insisted on being classified as AFRICAN.

There's no evidence that Barack Sr. insisted on any such thing.

I'm not interested in what Stanley Armour might have thought. There's no evidence he ever set eyes on the kenyan student, other than the myth of ‘Dreams’ - and that silly photograph that appears to have been taken on a Dock, does nothing to place them together anytime, anywhere.

And again, it doesn't matter if he set eyes on "the kenyan." The issue was whether the Dunhams would have listed Barack Sr. as African to avoid a stigma, and CLEARLY, from that picture, Stanley Armour Dunham is not concerned about any stigma from associating with anyone.

[edge919]

In other words, you can’t produce anything to back up your claim.

No, the claim that can't be backed up is that the alleged instruction manual was used to classify births in 1961. The 1961 Natality Report shows otherwise. It's posted at the CDC website. The racial classifications in that report are not the same as the alleged coding manual.

[Fred Nerks]

...And again, it doesn't matter if he set eyes on "the kenyan." The issue was whether the Dunhams would have listed Barack Sr. as African to avoid a stigma, and CLEARLY, from that picture, Stanley Armour Dunham is not concerned about any stigma from associating with anyone.

I concede your point, because it isn't the parents of the mother who declare the contents of a birth certificate, it's the parents themselves. We are to take it that (Stanley) Ann Dunham Obama signed the document.

But if you are going to use that 'on the dock' image to show that Stanley Armour had nothing against appearing in the company of 'negro' people, you need to have some idea who those people are.

Some appear to be from the Nachmanoff groups, there's Dave and Robert Robillard, and Marda - and the asian woman is a graduate of the U of HI from class of 1959. There's an unidentified young woman standing very closely to the central character, there's a captain and an officer, three young crew members squatting, and a row of union workers in the background. Plus a couple of unidentified white men and another asian woman who appears to have been added. How you can establish what Stanley Armour felt about coloured people from that collection, escapes me. It only works if the central character was the kenyan student, and that possibility has just about been eliminated.

The captain, the officer and the crew - he would have had no choice over, if he was meeting some asian couple he knew on a dock in the 70's. Must have been someone who warranted a welcome committee.

[Fred Nerks]

And btw, don’t bother to reply, I’m sick of being called a drama queen, it’s boring and predictable coming from you.

[Jeff Winston]

No, the claim that can't be backed up is that the alleged instruction manual was used to classify births in 1961.

It says right on the manual that it was for classifying births that took place in 1961, doofus.

As for "alleged," it's obvious that it's the real and correct manual. Aside from which, IT WAS PRODUCED BY A FREEPER.

The 1961 Natality Report shows otherwise. It's posted at the CDC website. The racial classifications in that report are not the same as the alleged coding manual.

A link to the report, Sherlock. And the exact page number on which your alleged conflict is to be found and can be confirmed.

Otherwise, you claim is bulls**t.

[edge919]

I concede your point, because it isn't the parents of the mother who declare the contents of a birth certificate, it's the parents themselves. We are to take it that (Stanley) Ann Dunham Obama signed the document.

The contents are declared by whoever has knowledge of the birth. The mother could have just easily been sedated through the entire birth and signed the certificate after it was filled out. Or it could have been filled out by the grandmother or anyone. The signature is not particularly compelling since part of the signature was parenthetically augmented. There is as much evidence of photoshop on that document as there is on any of the photos.

But if you are going to use that 'on the dock' image to show that Stanley Armour had nothing against appearing in the company of 'negro' people, you need to have some idea who those people are.

It doesn't really matter. A stigma is a stigma, and anyone who really had problems with such "stigmas" would go out his way to avoid being photographed with anyone he was uncomfortable being around. This is a group photo that clearly wasn't carefully posed, but was most likely based on where people were standing at the time someone decided to take the picture, which means Stanley was already near people he should have been trying to avoid. The idea that his feelings can only be established by the "central character" is nonsense.

[edge919]

It says right on the manual that it was for classifying births that took place in 1961, doofus.

And I'm telling you one more time, so that it will sink in. The classifications do not jibe with the 1961 natality report. You can bleep and blurt all you want, but this is a problem you cannot explain away.

[Jeff Winston]

And I'm telling you one more time, so that it will sink in. The classifications do not jibe with the 1961 natality report. You can bleep and blurt all you want, but this is a problem you cannot explain away.

No, it isn't.

It's COMPLETE AND UTTER BULL****.

You can't produce ANY CONFLICT WHATSOEVER with a 1961 natality report.

[Jeff Winston]

Just because you make some BULL**** claim: (”The classifications do not jibe with the 1961 natality report”) doesn’t make it true.

Have you never heard of a little thing called SHOW ME THE DAMN EVIDENCE?

If you make a statement, you need to BACK IT UP. Just as I’ve done.

Doofus.

[Yosemitest]

The Birth Certificate was part of their divorce decree and there were witnesses that saw it.

[bluecat6]

“...there were witnesses that saw it.”

Do tell.

Names? Affidavits?

[Yosemitest]

Here is some more information and links

and all of this without using the link to "the source of the "moderator-offending-video" by a group called The Council of Conservative Citizens.
This is NOT a Conservative group, do not be fooled by the name.
This group is a front group for a neo-Nazi group known as the National Alliance and is associated with Stormfront.

(But I don't see how those groups are MORE OFFENSIVE THAN the Marxists and Fascists in the White House.)

I have several witnesses, that have proven to me that Barack Hussein Obama II was born in Kenya.

First witness, Barack Hussein Obama II himself:

From the AP in 2004: Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

Hmm…An AP story from 2004 entitled Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate has been discovered on archive.org by many sites (and twitter where I got this). Does this mean now that the AP is nothing but a bunch of birthers?

Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations. ...

The above artice is also found at FreedomsPhoenix.com.
They have a great spoof Birth Certificate you just gotta' see.
Also view the video at Proof Obama Admits He Was Born In Kenya.


Second witnesses, his mother and father, indirectly through their divorce papers.

Ed Hale, aprivate investigator in Hawaii, has uncovered the divorce decree for Barack Obama’s father and mother, which indicates they had “one child under the age of eighteen, born in Kenya.”
But a later Update 1/1/2009,...
"In his 7:45pm Plains Radio broadcast, this last night, Ed Hale backed down from his prior assertion of having gained even uncertain information about the Barack Sr. / Stanley Ann divorce decree containing language referring to Barack Jr. as being born in Kenya. Instead, Hale referred to an apparently tricky recollection... of an ... referring to such a document's generally referring to the place of birth of the children of the divorced parents."

I believe that "indeterminate person" probably SAW the Obama Dunham Divorce Documents BEFORE Page 11 disappeared and viewed the Kenyan Birth Cerfiticate,
thereby telling Ed Hale

"the divorce decree for Barack Obama’s father and mother, indicates they had 'one child under the age of eighteen, born in Kenya.' ".

The Obama Dunham Divorce Documents are viewable at this location.
There's a great assumption of the time lime at at link.

See the whole Obama 1964 divorce on Scribd.com or as 13 individual images below (in proper order):







I immediately called the clerk in Hawaii and asked where the extra page was. She looked, and counted, and said that there must be some mistake in the records – she counted only 13 pages that are available for reprint. I pointed out to her that the page count she sent skipped from page 10 to page 12 – page 11 was missing. To that, she suggested that perhaps the pages were simply misnumbered before they where archived into the microfiche.

I accepted her answer, not thinking much about it at the time. Perhaps it was just a clerical error in the 1960s, when hand-filed paper records and IBM punch cards were how court documents were tracked and maintained.

I have since come to learn that Obama and his team of lawyers have been working to sanitize his records since he announced that he’d run for President circa November 2004. Now in the White House, he’s still ACTIVELY blocking subpoenas for such documents as his Cambridge and Occidental College records TODAY – the same type of documents promised to be made available during his campaign. Obama and his lawyers are exceedingly adept at exploiting loopholes in Hawaiian birth certificate law to keep Obama’s past hidden from the American people.

This missing page – page 11 – very likely is a copy of the original birth certificate, based upon the prima facie timeline of the 1964 divorce. The Kenya birth certificate was likely requested on Jan 23, 1964 by either Judge King (to award custody on the next trial date), or recommended to Ann Dunham by her attorney for the ex parte divorce, where only one parent was expected to be present.

The missing page, 11, should be chronologically-numbered as all other pages were in the original docket file, by the court clerk at the time. Starting at page 8, Exhibit A is placed where it would have occurred by date in the paperwork (and appeared on microfiche), even denoting an erased, yet barely-readable “8″ on both pages of the returned notification sent to Obama SR. The missing page, numbered as page 11, would likely be a page that would have been admitted to the divorce file sometime in mid- to late-February 1964 – almost as if it were an undocumented “Exhibit B”.

Here’s a very plausible timeline merging the 1964 Obama Divorce papers and new Kenya birth certificate:

Jan 20 (Mon) – divorce request is filed by Stanley Ann D. Obama

Jan 23 (Thur) – divorce orders for trial are given by Judge King at chambers

(note – if the judge, or Ann Dunham’s attorney, told her to order the Kenya birth certificate, it would have been mailed 10,000 miles away, to the “Coast Province” Registrar’s office of the “Republic of Kenya”, likely arriving around the first week of February 1964 to be processed)

Jan 28 (Tue) – Gail A. Watanabe, presumably an assistant of Ann Obama attorney George Kerr, mails the notification for trial to Obama SR (her affidavit is signed Feb 3 and filed)

Jan 30 (Thur) – via Air Mail, notification of trial arrives at Obama SR’s Cambridge, Mass, address. The 10-day “knock and nail” notification would have expired on Sun, Feb 9. Therefore, the next trial date would have been automatically set, per Judge King’s instructions, for the first Tuesday, 30 days later, on March 3

Feb 10 (Mon) – allowing for a 10-day “knock and nail” notification for trial, Obama SR’s trial notification would have been retrieved by the US Post Office on this date, to be mailed back (as events turned out – UNSIGNED by Obama SR) to Hawaii as an exhibit for trial

Feb 17 (Mon) – the Obama Kenya birth certificate is signed by the “Coast Province” Deputy Registrar, to be mailed back to Hawaii for receipt by Ann Obama and/or her attorney
(note: mail time would have ranged from a few days (Air Mail) to a couple of weeks (ship), arriving back in Hawaii in the last week of February to first week of March 3 (Tue). Based upon Judge King’s Jan 23 orders for the next trial date, “at 9:30 a.m. on the first Tuesday after thirty (30) days have elapsed from and after the date” that Obama SR would have been served with the notice of trial. That notification came back, unsigned, by Obama SR, so Ann’s attorneys surely requested, and received Default Judgment for the divorce in her favor for “grievous mental suffering”

Mar 5 (Thur) – trial takes place in favor of divorce in Hawaii, placing custody of Obama JR to his mother by default
(note: the trial was likely rescheduled 2 days after the automatically set date of Mar 3, possibly for the convenience of the judge and/or parties)

Mar 20 (Fri) – the divorce decree is signed by Judge King


In Hawaii, birth certificates are not Public Record. If the Kenya birth certificate was a part of the divorce decree, it may have been pulled out at the end of the trial, or more recently by a watchful archivist or attorneys wishing to remove unfavorable information about Obama.
To date, despite other honest attempts to refute the Kenya birth certificate, such as dealing with when the “Republic of Kenya” came into existence as a republic have been “un-bunked.” Dishonest alterations of the Kenya birth certificate have been maliciously created by sites such as Democratic Underground, designed to discredit the Kenya birth certificate – they’ve been un-bunked as well.

Having not actually seeing the Kenya birth certificate, and it’s chain of evidence, no intellectually-honest person can say if it’s real or not. By the same token, none of us have seen or touched the short-form “Certification of Live Birth” that has appeared on Obama’s “Fight the Smears” or FactCheck.org websites.

No one can confirm the chain of evidence of Obama’s “Certification of Live Birth” that has appeared online, which is the abbreviated-version of Obama’s true, 1961, original long-form(s) “Certificate of Live Birth” and associated vital statistics records. Even the Hawaii Department of Health directly refuses to verify Obama’s online COLBs.

Third witness, is Barack Hussein Obama II's grandmother,Sarah Hussein Obama:
View the video Barack Obama - Born in Kenya II at Youtube.com.

Did Obama's grandmother say he was born in Kenya?The Oct. 16, 2008, telephone interview was conducted by American Christian minister Ron McRae, who describes himself in his affidavit as an overseer of the Anabaptist Churches in North America and a "Presiding Elder on the African Presbytery."

McRae, who called from Detroit, says Sarah Obama was in a public setting with several hundred people listening to the telephone call on a speakerphone. The interpreter was Vitalis Akech Ogombe, the community chairman of Sarah Obama's village of Nyang'oma Kogelo in Western Kenya, 30 miles west of the Lake Victoria-city of Kisumu.

"In the ensuing public conversation, I asked Ms. Obama specifically,
'Were you present when your grandson was born in Kenya?'"
McRae testified in his sworn statement.
"This was asked to her in translation twice, and both times she replied, "Yes! Yes she was! She was present when Obama was born."

Watch and LISTEN to the video BARACK OBAMA - BORN IN KENYA - The Documentary - STUNNING!
and prove it to yourself.
Also watch Affidavit and Tape-Proof Obama Born in Kenya.

The fourth witness, Tim Adams,

"Barack Obama was definitely not born in Hawaii as the White House maintains, and that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama does not even exist in the Aloha State."

(It is now confirmed by Hawaii that Tim Adams did indeed work as a senior elections clerk in 2008)

Election official: I'd testify Obama not born in Hawaii

"The things I've said, I don't mind testifying in court," Tim Adams, the senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in the 2008 campaign, told WND in an exclusive interview.

"I was working there, and this is what it was. I'm not a lawyer, just a civil servant. I know what I know. I know what I was told by the hospitals and by my supervisors."

"There is no birth certificate," he said. "It's like an open secret. There isn't one. Everyone in the government there knows this."

"I had direct access to the Social Security database, the national crime computer, state driver's license information, international passport information, basically just about anything you can imagine to get someone's identity," Adams explained. "I could look up what bank your home mortgage was in. I was informed by my boss that we did not have a birth record [for Obama]."

At the time, there were conflicting reports that Obama had been born at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, as well as the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children across town. So Adams says his office checked with both facilities.

"They told us, 'We don't have a birth certificate for him,'" he said. "They told my supervisor, either by phone or by e-mail, neither one has a document that a doctor signed off on saying they were present at this man's birth."

To date, no Hawaiian hospital has provided documented confirmation Obama was born at its facility.

Adams, 45, stressed, "In my professional opinion, he definitely was not born in Hawaii. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that he was not born in Hawaii because there is no legal record of him being born there. If someone called and asked about it, I could not tell them that person was born in the state."

WND confirmed with Hawaiian officials that Adams was indeed working in their election offices during the last presidential election.

"His title was senior elections clerk in 2008," said Glen Takahashi, elections administrator for the city and county of Honolulu.

Adams oversaw a group of 50 to 60 employees and was responsible for verifying the identity of voters, especially absentee voters.

"If you're working in the civil service and you say this, you're done," Adams said. "Don't expect to have a good career, especially since the governor is on the other side. Embarassing them is not good for your career."

The Fifth witness, Michelle Obama.

Watch the video Michelle Obama Admits Kenya is Barack Hussein Obama's Home Country.
Watch the second video, Michelle Obama - Barack Is A Kenyan - Obama Birth Certificate.flv.

From Former Obama Supporters: "Michelle Obama in her own words admits that Barack’s home country is Kenya.
When you hear the MSM report that the Obama Birth Certificate issue is a non-issue and not valid to be debated,
they are telling us an outright lie.
The Constitution states plainly that a person must be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN to hold the office of POTUS.
When the MSM reports to the public that this is a non-issue or a settled issue
and the people that care about this are “Crazy Birthers” or “Flat Earthers”
they are simply trying to make a valid issue go away."

The Sixth Witness, Kenyan Ambassador Peter Ogego:

Watch Kenyan Ambassador Admits Obama Was Born In Kenya.

The Seventh Witness, James Orengo (the Kenyan Parliament Minister of Lands):

Watch Kenyan Parliament Minister Says Obama was Born in Kenya!!.

Also an outstanding video to watch,

(Revised) Kenyan Parliament Minister Says Obama was Born in Kenya!!

Case CLOSED!!!

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So, there you go.

[MHGinTN]

LOL, you make a post fabricating your own fabrication. What a maroon, an obamaroid maroon at that!

[MHGinTN]

The three posting in defense of little barry bastard boy are all 2010 sign ons, and not that far apart for sign on dates. Their feverish efforts here are a strong hint their little barry bastard boy is scared that his fraudulent life is about to be exposed.

[MHGinTN]

"Odd how you can’t name and demonstrate one single “fabrication” I have ever produced." Jeff 'knight in service to little barry bastard boy' Winston

Revealing that you try to twist what I posted and obliquely accuse me of not posting any of your deceptive posts ... I'm not in the business of repeating your lies, asshat. Your post is an open exhibit of your fabricating, your twisted deception techniques!

[x]

Maybe they didn't think of themselves as "Negroes" either.

In any case, grandma may not have thought the same way as grandpa.

[Yosemitest]

Satan aways eats his own.