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New Benghazi Talking Point: The Republicans Made Him Do It? Seriously?
Twitter ^ | 5/10/2013 | Tommy Vietor

Posted on 05/10/2013 6:50:57 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer

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To: kevkrom

It was 8pm..I was being a doofus. I deal with that a bunch being me. :p


41 posted on 05/10/2013 10:13:43 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Irenic
Yeah, I saw the follow-ups after I hit "post". So, I got a decent "doofus" claim to own up to as well.
42 posted on 05/10/2013 10:14:55 AM PDT by kevkrom (Obama: less class than Bill Clinton)
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To: kabar
The first two special ops types were retired military, apparently working as contractors.

As I recall one of their first efforts was to try to procure heavier weapons from the host country.

43 posted on 05/10/2013 10:19:38 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Roccus
Same problem with Clinton in taking down Said in Somalia. Every time the special forces guys were ready to take him down and put the red dot on his head, they had to get an orde from the White House and it would never come. Instead there'd be hesitation as Clinton probably consulted his lawyers and a pollster and next thing you know, the media would appear and swarm around the newly located target and their presence was the excuse for Clinton to chicken out and not give the order.

Imad Mugniyeh also may have bought the farm much earlier had Clinton the courage to give the order.

44 posted on 05/10/2013 10:26:31 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: kabar
Here's what's odd... an early report I saw on that "meeting" that was scheduled for 5 pm that day between Obama, Dempsey and Panetta referred to the meeting as being over the phone and not face to face. Obama referred to it as a call at one point.

Subsequent articles imply the meeting was face to face but usually don't actually say so.

45 posted on 05/10/2013 10:30:27 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: kabar
Here's what's odd... an early report I saw on that "meeting" that was scheduled for 5 pm that day between Obama, Dempsey and Panetta referred to the meeting as being over the phone and not face to face. Obama referred to it as a call at one point.

Subsequent articles imply the meeting was face to face but usually don't actually say so. And from what I understand CBA orders to Defense Secs are supposed to be to be face to face.

46 posted on 05/10/2013 10:32:40 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Irenic
Yes, it was 2am Libya time and I believe it was *am DC time when she spoke to Hicks. (It is currently 6:20pm Libya time)

Libya is six hours ahead. It was 8 PM in DC.

47 posted on 05/10/2013 4:00:32 PM PDT by kabar
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To: jch10
One former SEAL (Woods) was already in the Benghazi annex. The other one (Doherty) was in Tripoli and left on the first plane from Tripoli around midnight.

The CIA also sent a second six-member team from Tripoli on a chartered plane to help repel the attack," reported the Times. "This team included Glen Doherty, another former SEAL, who was later killed when attackers fired mortar rounds at the CIA Annex." Doherty was not disobeying any orders nor was Woods.

48 posted on 05/10/2013 4:11:17 PM PDT by kabar
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To: piasa

They were CIA contractors. The first thing that the Embassy did as well as the mission in Benghzi was to ask the host government for assistance. If the host government can’t protect you, you shouldn’t be there in the first place.


49 posted on 05/10/2013 4:13:37 PM PDT by kabar
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To: piasa

It was face to face in the Oval Office.


50 posted on 05/10/2013 4:14:48 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Yeah, I caught that after I posted, I looked at my post and saw my butt hangin’ in the wind. :p

I had to see it stare me in black and white before the brain engaged.

Oh the humanity!


51 posted on 05/10/2013 4:38:37 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: kabar

Confused about Doherty, but it’s clear that early on someone on the ground in Benghazi was saying Woods did indeed disobey a stand down order from his CIA chain of command, when he was only about a mile away from the action:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/

This was published late October. So you are saying Griffin’s sources were wrong?


52 posted on 05/10/2013 6:51:51 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer

The CIA denied that was the case. And there were State security officers as part of the team. I don’t think anyone knows the truth since we can’t even interview the people who were on the ground in Benghazi. It is ridiculous.


53 posted on 05/10/2013 9:25:34 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Granted there is bound to be some uncertainty while the story sorts out, but the CIA denial would have to happen either way. If there really was no stand down from CIA command, then the on-the-ground sources that spoke with Griffin & Housley were either wrong or lying, and the present CIA denial is just a confirmation of that. If, OTOH, the CIA originated or channeled a refusal to authorize, and it resulted in the Benghazi debacle, there would be clear motivation to deny deny deny. So the presence of a denial proves almost nothing.

However, I noticed Housley is standing firmly with his source and his credibility, the same source who said that jet was commandeered, not chartered. You don’t have to commandeer your own jets if chain of command is operating smoothly. The Housley source, who was on the ground in Benghazi, credits “that decision” with the saving of many American lives. If that source is telling the truth, there had to be a corresponding CIA stand down order, which apparently multiple special ops personnel chose to disregard.


54 posted on 05/10/2013 11:43:14 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: kabar
The CIA also sent a second six-member team from Tripoli on a chartered plane to help repel the attack," reported the Times. "This team included Glen Doherty, another former SEAL, who was later killed when attackers fired mortar rounds at the CIA Annex." Doherty was not disobeying any orders nor was Woods.

Then the five surviving members of this team need to come forward and spill their guts.

Imagine the light they can shine upon this mess, forcing the cockroaches in the White House to scatter for cover.

55 posted on 05/10/2013 11:56:36 PM PDT by Lovely-Day-For-A-Guinness (Eenie meanie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak....)
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To: kabar

Thanks for the info.....it is strikingly different from what was reported last Sept.


56 posted on 05/11/2013 5:25:59 AM PDT by jch10 (The greatest threat to America is the Democrats.)
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