Alabama Democratic Party Submits Different Obama Birth Certificate In Ballot Challenge Appeal

McInnish-Goode-v-Chapman-Appeal-ADP-Amicus Brief ^

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

She couldn’t afford to do it for fear of the media labeling her a racist and for fear of losing the black vote. She was in a catch-22 situation.

You seriously think she couldn't get some reporter to run the story without her fingerprints appearing on it?

[4Zoltan]

We know the stamp says “USPO” after they had changed their name to “USPS”

[Fantasywriter]

Agreed, & yet what Pfleger did went even beyond the race card. Blacks had generally held the Clinton’s in fairly high regard, or at least above average regard. When Pfleger made it look like Hillary was trying to assert white privilege to keep the uppity black man down, he didn’t just send her into negative territory; he engendered outright hatred for her. It was amazing & grotesque to see.

You’re right about the Clinton response, of course. It was a ‘live to fight another day’ tack—in fact, the only viable tack they had at that point.

It will be interesting to see what direction Hillary takes w the book she’s working on. She’ll have to tread very carefully if she wants to criticize Obama—IF she has future political aspirations. If she’s done, she might just let it rip. Time will tell.

[muawiyah]

Round dates with USPO or USPS existed side by side for many, many years ~ the institution was addicted to round dates. It took almost universal implementation of computer systems TO GET RID OF THEM.

Somebody must have believed they actually meant something ~ but all they meant was IF the dater was set correctly somebody touched that piece of paper on that day. Or, the other meaning IF the dater was not set correctly we don't know what date somebody touched that piece of paper.

The proper dating by round dater was not highly regulated! People changed the dates because they loved to do that ~ rather than work! The system was more akin to a church service than creation of an evidentiary trail.

[Ray76]

An image like that can be starting point for an electronic assemblage.

Actual security paper would have “VOID” all over it when scanned or copied. THIS DOESN’T.

Additionally, this is yet another version purported to be a “scan of the original” This original has magic powers, the background keeps changing!

[ObligedFriend]

If Obama completed his selective service registration card in 1980, the US Army Recruiting Command (USAREC) should have been notified.

[Sgt_Schultze]

I suppose the standard office copier used to assemble the pleading had the lower resolution, halftone setting instead of the default rgb setting on a color scanner. When safety paper became prevalent, there was no high resolution office scanner available. Back before copiers, safety paper also had a stain-producing chemical used in its production which would cause discoloration if somebody tried to introduce bleach or an ink eradicator to try to eliminate typewritten copy.

Regarding the BC posted on the WH website, that one is a fake. I copied the file they accidentally posted where the fabricator neglected to flatten the layers. If you don't have illustrator or photoshop, you'd never be able to tell.

[butterdezillion]

It’s the other way around. In 2008, only Pelosi’s OCON for Hawaii had the Constitutional language in it, and that was because the Hawaii Democratic Party wouldn’t use their regular certification which had the Constitutional language in it. In fact, the HDP was so desperate to get the Constitutional language out of their OCON, that they took out one physical line of print INCLUDING the certification that the candidates were the candidates specifically of the Hawaii Democratic Party - which is the part that Hawaii statute requires the state party to certify.

[Seizethecarp]

I notice that in page 20 the liars say “a 40-year-old government record from Hawaii” when referring to Barry’s original 1961 BC, which is obviously 50 years old.

Was this a Freudian slip? Probably not, but the “original” on file could be an amended document that is only 40 years old.

[butterdezillion]

I wonder if the Fogbowers are going to razz this guy for signing an affidavit where he doesn’t even claim to have first-hand knowledge or sources - won’t even say where he got any of his “exhibits”. And this guy is supposed to be a lawyer? He adds NOTHING to this discussion.

Here’s my first reaction to that different BC image page in there: It looks like a watermark added by computer, just like you can do in Word. This guy never said where anything came from or what it even supposedly IS. It looks like he made a background watermark, put the White House image on top of it, printed it out, and tried passing it off as the enclosure that Fuddy referenced in her letter. He never claimed to have personally received a copy so that image could be ANYTHING.

[MHGinTN]

NO, she was told at Diane Feinstein’s Georgetown residency the night before Super Tuesday to shut up and step aside or else. It was impossible for hatelary to win without the black vote and if she had exposed little barry bastard boy’s criminality she would have infuriated the blacks, resutling in republicant sweeping victories in House, Senate, and the presidency. So she did as she was told by the masters she and her gang of thugs answer to ...

[ObligedFriend]

Selective service registration began Monday July 21 1980 for men born Jan-Mar 1960, Tuesday Apr-Jun, Wednesday Jul-Sep and Thursday Oct-Dec.

Next week the process repeated itself for those born 1961. Obama should have registered Wednesday Jul 30.

There were no registrations Friday.

Proclamation 4771 signed by Carter.

[Fantasywriter]

Thanks, Carp. I have maintained for some time that the grandparents, specifically granny Dunham, paid to have the alcoholic wife-abuser flown to HI & put up at their expense in order to revise the BC/get the adoption ducks in a row. Well guess what. Obama Sr visited HI when Obama was 10—which matches the ‘40 yr old’ record to a T.

‘He [Obama jr] last saw his father in 1971, when he was 10 years old. “

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/13/AR2007121301784.html

[4Zoltan]

“An image like that can be starting point for an electronic assemblage.”

Are you saying the text on the green background were cut and pasted onto the green background?

“Actual security paper would have “VOID” all over it when scanned or copied. THIS DOESN’T.”

There are a number of Hawaii BCs on the internet - Miki Booth’s son Alan for example - none of those scans or copies say void.

http://wtpotus.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/alan-booth-bc-cropped.jpg

Here is Virginia Sunahara’s death certificate - doesn’t say void.

http://www.wnd.com/files/2012/09/SUNAHARA-short-form-COLB.jpg

[Ray76]

Starting with the image at http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-37067711489792_2260_5312874

I had no difficulty creating this

[nickcarraway]

Ha ha. First of all, Hillary only lost because of a major tactical error by her team. She won on the states that had primaries, but didn't pay enough attention to caucuses, and Obama beat her there. If her team had realized this, she would have crushed Obama. It was a major unforced error.

The Clintons were incredibly popular with black voters, and many were choosing Hillary over Obama.

This whole theory that, "Hillary was forced to do this," or threatened or whatever is nonsense. The Clintons were more powerful than anybody. Nobody was threatening them to get out. Hillary's team screwed up and that's all there is to it.

[butterdezillion]

Do you know who all can file an amicus brief? Does it have to be a lawyer?

[butterdezillion]

So you know more than Bettina Viviano, who worked with Hillary’s team? Exactly HOW do you know more than her? “Judge’s knowledge”? Or are you calling her a liar? If so, what is your EVIDENCE?

[GBA]

Does anyone have a list of FR fog blowers?

I keep an informal one in my head, but just wondering if anyone else has this hobby.

Fortunately, some are very obvious, even slavishly so, and make it easy to spot them.

[butterdezillion]

1971 would be that hazy period when they were phasing out Certificates of Hawaiian Birth and switching around the terminology of “Delayed” v “Late” BC’s. There wasn’t yet the provision of a HI BC being created for somebody if the parents could prove they were residents of HI for a year before the birth. And unless the timelines are all screwed up, neither parent had resided in HI for a year before the birth either. So if he got a BC 10 years after the alleged birth, he would have had to get a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth.

But those are a totally different format with different numbering, and the only way for him to be able to get either a COLB or long-form is if he turned in his COHB and converted it to a LATE BC. A COHB would list the registrant’s identifying features and would have a photo of the registrant. It would not claim a hospital birth. It would have an evidence file associated with it, including affidavits.

I’ve wondered at why they had to fabricate the birth announcements. Could be that Grandma Dunham reported the birth in 1961 and the record was not complete, so Verna Lee didn’t put it on the public list that the newspapers got. Or it could be there was no claim even submitted in 1961, and they got a COHB for him sometime before 1972(?). Either way, the record they had couldn’t result in any COLB or long-form being printed for him so he had to amend the record in late 2006, as indicated by HDOH and OIP UIPA responses.

I lean towards Grandma Dunham submitting an incomplete claim in 1961, partly because the HDOH worked so hard to hide the “incomplete BC” section of the rules in effect for 1961 when they created a new PDF of the Administrative Rules right before making the rules accessible to the public again, as required by law, in early November of 2009. They wouldn’t let the public see the same PDF of the rules that the OIP was able to see; they created a new PDF that obscured 2 critical sections almost beyond the ability to figure out what those sections said. I suspect that is a “tell” pointing to what they don’t want us to know.