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HollyB,

I think some of the confusion can be cleared up. Back in Post # 20 someone introduced Katrina to the discussion. That triggered my jumping in, because I have seen no proof that guns were taken from anyone. (or anything else illegal)

Next, I also had concerns about how residents were treated during the search. Then I saw THIS POST on another thread relating an actual encounter.

As to the 4th Amendment stuff, reading the actual text tells me size of a search area is not limited.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Let's pick it apart.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated
I agree this is the main issue up for discussion.

no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation,
Well, the suspect was last seen in this area, and at the time last seen was armed & shooting at folks. That can describe probable cause . . .

and particularly describing the place to be searched,
In this case a 15 block radius containment zone including all buildings and structures within the zone.

and the persons or things to be seized.
One armed and dangerous whack-a-nut and possible Improvised Explosive Devices.

There has been lots of talk that "Speedbump" and "Flashbang" were part of a larger cell. If that is the case it is prudent not to tip your hand too early & give the rest of the cell a chance to escape. A sealed warrant would do just that. Ironic that "Flashbang" spent the whole day hiding less than 2 blocks outside the containment zone.

My main concern is how would things go if ===> I <=== was in that zone that day. I own a number of firearms and a minimum of 1000 rounds for each. I don't think I would willingly allow a search without some written guarantee that me & mine would not be harmed and that ALL my property would stay with me when they left.