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To: Nero Germanicus

The long form has never been certified as a true and correct copy.

HI DOH has issued certifications that HI DOH records were used to verify that supplied info matches HI DOH info.

As has been repeatedly shown, “matching” does not connote “complete”.

Certifying that official records were used is in no way certifying a true and correct copy.


99 posted on 04/25/2013 10:24:07 AM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Ray76

(pssst...He’s deaf)


100 posted on 04/25/2013 11:04:29 AM PDT by JohnnyP
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To: Ray76

The Federal Rule of Evidence standard is that a witness has “COMPARED” the data on the copy that is being proferred to the data on the original. “Matches” is an appropriate response when comparing.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_1005

It’s up to each Trier of Fact to rule on what evidence is probative. Since 2008, no judge, justice or state elections board has found any problem with any version of an Obama birth certificate, be it the factcheck.org copy, a copy of the whitehouse.gov PDF image or a HDOH copy. All of those versions have been admitted as evidence of place of birth and date of birth.
As a matter of fact, several plaintiffs challenging Obama’s eligibility from the Emmerich de Vattel position of two US citizen parents are required in order to be a natural born citizen, have used data from the Certificate of Live Birth, namely, father’s birthplace: “Kenya East Africa,” to make their case.

And again, if any judge would like to examine the original, they can issue a court order for it. If any congressional committee would like to see it, they can issue a congressional subpoena for it.


101 posted on 04/25/2013 11:10:18 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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