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To: bluecat6

How come peterboys does not have a raised seal?


154 posted on 04/11/2013 2:33:33 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: 4Zoltan

It may have a ‘raised seal’ and the actual almost certainly does.

However, the image seems to be cropped to the critical part of the document. So it could be cropped out.

But also an embossed raised seal is usually very subtle - by design. The intent is for it NOT to show up in a copy or scan process. The goal of that seal is usually to make reproduction of the document difficult. The ‘seal’ used by Hawaii currently is a DE-EMBOSSED pin stamp that easy to reproduce mechanically. It is not a custom registered die. Most states use a registered (not generally available to the public) die that very subtly creates the seal.

Good embossed seals do not reproduce easily either via standard photocopy or via scanning. Look at Bobby Jindals certified copy of his certificate. It must have a seal but it does not jump out at all. In fact, I have tried to scan certified copies with various seals from some states. The seal never fully reproduces - especially under standard scanning settings. Only under custom settings is there any sign of a raised seal and it is very faint and never produces the full image. You get just a slight shadow that is still very difficult to see without a very high res, large scan.

So looking at the Peter Boy document, that used to be publicly available at the Hawaii DOH site itself for years, you find at least 3 major differences with more current COLBs:

1. the border. The Peter Boy border is more consistent with other states in use at the time and even today.
2. The use of void-secure paper. This function is common official state-issued documents from other states. The function is designed to ensure photo-copied documents clearly show they are duplicates and not the document issued by the state. This is common in other states. It is not in use on more recent Hawaii COLBs.
3. The Peter Boy documents shows a lack of simplistic pin-oriented ‘stamp’ or ‘raised seal’. If a more standard embossed, registered seal was used this is expected. One goal of this feature is to avoid duplication and the ability to see the stamp in photocopied or scanned documents. In a ‘secure’ document this stamp should not easily reproduce.

Having worked with elite level youth sports at a national level I have handled many BCs from different states. When certifying your players in national level events review of BCs is standard. Every event made it clear that the only acceptable document was the ORIGINAL STATE ISSUED (no hospital issued ‘memento’ certificates). The organizations would not accept photocopies and ALWAYS checked for the raised seal. I have had to have originals over-night delivered when parents failed to understand the requirements.

It is nothing less than amazing that these youth sports organizations check birth documents in far more detail than state government election functions. A child presenting the same ‘evidence’ as Obama could not play official Little League baseball or be on a USHockey certified roster. Those organizations would not accept the current ‘documents’ at all.


155 posted on 04/12/2013 8:23:23 AM PDT by bluecat6 ("All non-denial denials. They doubt our ancestry, but they don't say the story isn't accurate. ")
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