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To: Nero Germanicus
I agree that they should have gotten a clue. The first thing any judge is going to look for in ruling on standing in a ballot challenge or an eligibility challenge is are the other candidates who were denied the office challenging the winner.

The problem with this legal theory is that it overlooks the injury to the general population as the result of the policy decisions of an unqualified man. That those of us in the General population have been injured by Obama is blatantly obvious. I have always regarded the "standing" issue as merely an excuse to allow the courts to avoid an unpleasant issue. (Questioning the legitimacy of the first "Black" president.)

When judges see that the other candidates are not plaintiffs, it makes it easy to rule for the defendant on lack of standing.

It gives them a procedural excuse to avoid the issue.

No plaintiffs named McCain, Palin, Romney or Ryan; no Republican National Committee suing on their behalf; no Libertarian Party, no Constitution Party, no Green Party, no independent candidates and no other political parties challenging eligibility is like no spouse filing for divorce but only friends of the spouse trying to secure a divorce on her or his behalf.

Not the same thing at all. Citizens are indeed injured by the acts of an unqualified man. "Friends" are not injured by the consequences of someone else's divorce.

Friends don’t have standing. They aren’t the injured party. One opposing party candidate filed suit, Alan Keyes of the American Independent Party and he was only on the ballot in four states.

We the people are not "friends". We are those who will have to pay the bills for whatever this man does. That individual Americans have no interest in the leadership of our nation is nonsense. What this translates to is that the court suborned our interest to a subjective technicality, and therefore should not be granted any respect for having done so.

It all comes back to one simple thing. We should NOT respect the opinions of these courts. They are not administering the law in the best interest of the nation, they are not logically consistent, and they are not interested in discovering the truth. Indeed, they are doing everything they can to obfuscate it.

516 posted on 04/11/2013 7:33:03 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

No court reviewing an election challenge is going to see the entire American population as an injured class since tens of millions of people indicated their lack of injury by voting for Obama, more than voted against him, twice.
“Obama is ineligible” attorneys have designated a class of injured citizens by representing individual and specific groups of plaintiffs. There has been no class action lawsuit on behalf of “the American People” v. Barack Obama.
Many “Obama is ineligible” lawsuits have been dismissed for failure to state a claim on which relief can be granted, which is the court’s way of saying “we cannot remove an elected federal official,” that’s the job of Congress.

Also, the 50 state ballot challenges heard in 2012 in 22 states were not dismissed for lack of standing. They had rulings that Obama was eligible for a state’s ballot. Several of those challenges are still pending on appeal.

For example, in the Florida ballot challenge: Voeltz v Obama, Judge Terry P. Lewis, of the Leon County, Florida Circuit Court ruled: “However, the United States Supreme Court has concluded that ‘[e]very person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States. ‘Other courts that have considered the issue in the context of challenges to the qualifications of candidates for the office of President of the United States have come to the same conclusion.”—June 29, 2012
http://www.scribd.com/doc/99025994/FL-2012-06-29-Voeltz-v-Obama-order-dismissing-amended-complaint

It’s fine that you choose not to respect the decisions of courts but your lack of respect for rulings has zero impact on the judicial process.
I see three alternatives for dismissals for lack of standing:
1) Recruit new plaintiffs who have standing. Can you imagine the world wide media attention that would be drawn to “McCain, Romney, Palin & Ryan v. Barack Obama?”
2) Pursue legal remedies via the criminal justice system where standing is not an issue: forgery, election fraud, identity theft, perjury, et. cetera.
3) Use the constitutional process designated for the removal of a federal official: impeachment & trial/conviction in the Senate.


517 posted on 04/11/2013 10:09:43 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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