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To: Jeff Winston
Prior to WKA there were two kinds of citizenship: native or natural born, and naturalized.

Subsequent to WKA this is no longer true.

Broadening the "subject to the jurisdiction" clause of the 14th Amendment to include domiciled aliens which heretofore were not "subject to the jurisdiction" created a distinction between native born citizen and natural born citizen.

"The provision is, that 'all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.' That means 'subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.' What do we mean by 'complete jurisdiction thereof?' Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means." - Sen. Trumbull, framer of 14th Amend.

The Court ignored naturalization acts and naturalized the children of domiciled aliens.

This broadened interpretation of the 14th Amendment "subject to the jurisdiction" clause naturalized the children of domiciled aliens creating a distinction where none had existed. It severed native born citizen from natural born citizen.

297 posted on 04/03/2013 11:52:26 AM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Ray76
Prior to WKA there were two kinds of citizenship: native or natural born, and naturalized.

Subsequent to WKA this is no longer true.

WKA didn't create a new kind of citizenship. The ruling said that the 14th Amendment affirmed the ancient rule which had always applied.

And those who introduced the 14th Amendment believed that it was simply declaratory of the law as it already was.

Rawle tells us back in 1825 what the rule was:

Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.

301 posted on 04/03/2013 12:04:54 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Ray76

Extending and clarifying comments in post 297

In the beginning there where the Thirteen Colonies. The citizens of these Colonies were British subjects. These subjects may have emigrated from Great Britain, emigrated from elsewhere, or have been born in these colonies.

Upon the Declaration of Independence each of the colonies became separate independent sovereign states, and these British subjects became American Citizens.

Each of these sovereign states wrote constitutions and instituted a new frame of Government different from their colonial government.

To prevent anarchy, many states adopted portions of English common law except where it conflicted with their Constitution or laws.

Each sovereign state added new citizens by citizens giving birth and by naturalizing new citizens according to their state law.

After the Revolution those sovereign states joined in the Articles of Confederation. The Articles dealt primarily with mutual defense, amity between states, coinage, diplomatic and international issues.

Each state retained its sovereignty (Article II) and each state continued to add new citizens by birth and by naturalization under their state law.

Eventually the Constitution of the United States was adopted. State sovereignty continued to be retained by the Amendment X reservation of state powers. Notably, states ceeded to the United States their power of naturalization.

New citizens were added by citizens giving birth and by naturalizing new citizens according to United States law.

It is notable that these sovereign states have adopted two frames of government, both of which retain state sovereignty and neither of which adopt the English common law, in whole or in part.

Under the Articles of Confederation the states retained all their sovereign powers.

Under the Constitution the states ceeded all national concerns to the federal government. The Tenth Amendment makes clear that States retain only 1) those powers not delegated to the Federal government and 2) those powers not prohibited to states.

The United States is a compound republic. The Constitution defines how the sovereign states relate to each other as well as to the national government and it to them. The national government handles international affairs.

Under the Constitution there is a hierarchy of law:

• federal constitution
• treaties and acts of Congress
• State constitutions
• acts of State legislatures

This is unique and there is nothing like it found in English law.

Also:

• England does not have a written constitution
• Acts of Parliament can not be questioned
• English common law is customary domestic law, it is municipal in nature

By contrast, the United States has written constitutions and legislative acts are subject to judicial review.

The limited sovereignty of the states leaves them municipal duties and powers.

The supreme sovereignty of the federal government is national and international, not municipal.

For the reasons stated, unlike the states the Federal government does not and can not rely on English common law.

As is obvious: the common law of England is municipal in nature and ill suited to relations between sovereign states (both internal states and internationally). Relations between sovereign states is dealt with by the law of nations.

Naturalization is international by its very nature. International relations are handled by the federal government. Under the Constitution naturalization powers reside in the Federal government, not in the states, customary common law, or courts. Naturalization is controlled by legislated acts of Congress.

Let’s review the cases of citizenship and naturalization that arise prior to the Declaration of Independence and afterwards, and upon the adoption of the Constitution and afterwards:

Case 1

A British Subject in and Citizen of one of the Thirteen Colonies becomes, at the signing of the Declaration of Independence, an American Citizen. At the Time of Adoption, by the grandfather clause of Art. II, this American Citizen is eligible to the Office of President*

Case 2

An Alien naturalizes and becomes a British Subject in and Citizen of one of the Thirteen Colonies. Upon the signing of the Declaration of Independence, he becomes an American Citizen. At the Time of Adoption, by the grandfather clause of Art. II, this American Citizen is eligible to the Office of President*

Case 3

A British Subject in and Citizen of one of the Thirteen Colonies has a child prior to the Declaration of Independence. This child is a British Subject and a native born Citizen of the Colony. At the signing of the Declaration of Independence this British Subject becomes an American Citizen. At the Time of Adoption, by the grandfather clause of Art. II, this American Citizen is eligible to the Office of President*

Case 4

A British Subject in and Citizen of one of the Thirteen Colonies has a child after the Declaration of Independence. The parents become, at the signing of the Declaration of Independence, American Citizens. The child, born from American Citizen parents, is a natural born Citizen. This natural born American Citizen is eligible to the Office of President*

Case 5

Subsequent to the Declaration of Independence and prior to the Adoption an Alien naturalizes (under state law) and becomes a Citizen of one of the Thirteen States. At the Time of Adoption this American Citizen, by the grandfather clause of Art. II, is eligible to the Office of President*

Case 6

Subsequent to the Adoption an Alien naturalizes (under United States law) and becomes a Citizen of the United States. This Citizen is not eligible to the Office of President, they were not a Citizen at the Adoption nor are they a natural born Citizen.

Case 7

Subsequent to the Adoption an Alien has a child. The child is Alien and is not eligible to the Office of President.

* Provided:
• they are at least thirty-five years old
• have been fourteen years a resident within the United States

The Naturalization Act of 1790, et seq. specify the minor children of Aliens naturalize upon the naturalization of the parents.

These means that native born citizen is synonymous with natural born citizen.

There are two kinds of citizenship: native or natural born, and naturalized.

Subsequent to the ruling in United States v. Wong Kim Ark this is no longer true.

Broadening the “subject to the jurisdiction” clause of the 14th Amendment to include domiciled aliens which heretofore were not “subject to the jurisdiction”, the ruling created a distinction between native born citizen and natural born citizen.

This broadened interpretation of the 14th Amendment jurisdiction clause naturalized the children of certain aliens thus creating a distinction where none had existed.

Native born citizen and natural born citizen are no longer synonymous.

Early authorities that citizens born here were natural born citizens are correct. It is no longer true after Wong Kim Ark.


504 posted on 04/09/2013 8:01:33 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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