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To: Mrs. Don-o

“manufacturing results in a product -— a thing seen as inferior to its maker or owner?”

No, I don’t think an invitro baby is loved or considered inferior by parents on anyone else.

Nor do I agree that the scriptures provided show invitro to be a sin. David provides a description of his own conception, not a command.

Any human being is God’s creation, beginning to end, and would not exist unless God created it.

However, I do think the status of an unused fertilized egg is an interesting point.

So I will respectfully disagree and move on. Thanks for your thoughts.


104 posted on 03/24/2013 6:30:59 PM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: stinkerpot65
Thank you for your good discussion. If I may, I just wanted to clarify one point:

The IVF baby is not un-loved by his parents. He is created by God and an image of God, like all of us. I hope I made that clear.

My point is that he was put together in the manner of a product is made, not like a person is made. And the law sees him as a product before implantation --- and in fact, right up to birth, since he can be culled and deiscarded right up to birth (e.g. a baby in a surrogacy contract, who can be ORDERED to be aborted if the buyers/adopters decide he's not up to specifications.) A person who respected babies would respect their right to be begotten in the marital embrace. It safeguards their human dignity. That's what children WANT to know: that they came from the desire of God and thre love-act of their mom and dad, and not from a hireling, a donor/vendor or a hatchery.

Begotten in any other way, other than holy spousal union, he is objectively an unconsenting experimental subject. In law, an object. Even though he may be a "loved" object. I appreciate your discussion, and please pray for me today as I go out to a vigil at an abotion site. We all need prayers.

105 posted on 03/25/2013 4:46:45 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("There never was anything so perilous or so exciting as orthodoxy." G.K. Chesterton)
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