[SoConPubbie]

2.) We Conservatives unwittingly tend to mimic the attack style of the Liberal Agenda Media.

Graewoulf,

The problem is, where do we draw the line with those who Want us to believe they are conservative, but truly, are not?

Is it Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, John McCain, or Mitt Romney?

All of these people have shown by their words a propensity, at some level, to try and manipulate the public perception of themselves that they are acceptable conservatives, while espousing views that are directly opposed to main-stream conservative thought.

Whether it be, approval or a desire to implement Comprehensive Immigration Reform (just code-words for Amnesty as any clear-thinking conservative knows), Acceptance and/or support for any part of the Gay Agenda, acceptance and/or support of any part of Abortion, refusal to take the concept of limited and smaller government (Constitutional Government) seriously and enact it.

So where do we, as serious conservatives, draw the line?

[SoConPubbie]

One thing I forgot to mention in my post was I was talking about Presidential Politics, and that, sad to say 4 years out, is what we have entered. As these partial conservatives try to jockey, in the all too familiar pattern, to establish the perception of themselves in the publics mind.

If a man is honest, open, and loud about his positions, and has flaws, in my own humble opinion, then I might accept that man.

If, however, there is any pretense, or attempt at establishing a false picture of himself or herself, you can take it to the bank that where conservatism is concerned, that man or woman cannot be trusted.

That is one reason I fully support Sarah Palin and could never support Mitt Romney.

P.S. (Finally, as cripplecreek mentioned upthread, I appreciate, support, and applaud these politicians when they get a concept or position correct, however, the more they tend to try and create false impressions of their own conservatism while taking non-conservative positions, the less I trust them. I have a zerio tolerance for this type of behavior).

[Graewoulf]

” - - - where do we draw the line - - - “

The “Line” is the definition of a word or Principle.

For example, if one defines a Conservative as on who conserves, then we look to who is above that line.

Being human, there are many examples from each of the 4 men that you mentioned that fall short of Conserving anything on a number of topics.

On the topic of asking a tyrant to give his word that he will not use his tyrannical power to snuff out the life of an American on American soil without a trial by his/her peers, I would give Rand a 8 out of 10; “The Rube” a zero out of 10; Mr. GOP Elite McCain a minus 10, since he has proven to be a Royalist at heart; and an unknown for Romney, as I need more facts from his speeches and actions to determine where he stands on tyranny.

A common mistake is to choose a man, and then assign virtues or flaws to him, with the usual result being that definitions of the same words and Principles differ widely from supporter to supporter.

Thus, I say: define first, agree on the definition, and THEN measure the man by that standard.