I have a question for the adherents of the most-restrictive-standard policy (born in the US of two citizen parents), aka birthers: what would it take to make you decide you’re wrong? Serious question. Based on my own readings, I think you’re wrong, and I think the lengthy postings from Mr Rogers and Jeff Winston have removed all doubt. Besides that, you’ve been promoting your arguments for 5 years now, and not a single court has agreed with you. So, what would it take? (I’m not interested in restatements of why you’re right—I’ve read all those.)
Like I said, I think you’re wrong. But I’ll allow that I could be mistaken, and I’ll tell you what would lead me to decide that: an unambiguous declaration by a court that somone was *not* an NBC or not a citizen by birth because his or her parents weren’t citizens. I don’t mean one of those “They didn’t use the words ‘natural born citizen’ so that means he wasn’t” bits of mindreading. And I don’t mean “They said X was NBC, so not-X must me not-NBC,” which is really just a misunderstanding of necessary and sufficient conditions. I mean a clear decision that put natural born, eligible for the presidency on one side of the line and a particular person, born here but with a noncitizen parent, on the other *for that reason*. As far as I’ve read in all these discussions for all these years, no court has ever come to that conclusion.
So given that it’s not likely that we’re going to be able to actually ask one of the framers what they meant in so many words, is there anything that would convince you? Because if the answer is “No, I don’t care what the courts say or have said or what legal scholars say, they’re all wrong and I’m right”—well, it’d be useful to know that that’s where you’re coming from.
>> “As far as I’ve read in all these discussions for all these years, no court has ever come to that conclusion.” <<
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The you haven’t read the four SCOTUS decisions that so ruled or stated.
Minor V Happersett is the key decision, since they used the two synonyms, Natural Born and Natives, exactly as De Vattel did, thus showing that it was his learned writing that was the standard of the day.
The other decisions refer back to Minor as the authority.
As usual, you are uninformed, and illogical.