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To: silverleaf

Sorry silverleaf, but that scenario just doesn’t work. There is not, and never has been, ANY mechanism under which a parent can renounce the citizenship of their child. Renunciation law is fairly clear, and there are a number of steps that have to occur before it’s legal. One of them is an interview with embassy staff verifying that the person doing the renunciation is a mentally sound adult who understands the implications of the choice and who is making the decision of their own free will. A child cannot renounce his citizenship, and a parent cannot renounce it for the child.

Even in the rare case of an American child adopted by foreign parents, where the birth certificate is updated to reflect the foreign parents, U.S. citizenship is maintained. Legally, citizenship can ONLY be removed by the order of a court with the authority to do so, or by self-renunciation. It can’t be lost through the adoption process.

If Obummer isn’t a citizen, then the fraud surrounds his place of birth, and not the circumstances of his life that came later


24 posted on 03/03/2013 10:18:17 AM PST by Arthalion
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To: Arthalion

IF little barry bastard boy (at or beyond age 18) used his Inodnesian citizenship to gain entry and funds for college at Occidental and or Columbia, THEN he has renounced the other citizenship claims.


26 posted on 03/03/2013 10:25:58 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Arthalion

Before I became a naturalized U.S. citizen in 1985, I had to read a brochure on the U.S. citizenship. What it stated was that it was fairly easy to lose one’s citizenship automatically if one was guilty of certain actions incompatible with loyalty to the U.S. My point is that it is possible to lose citizenship automatically. At least it used to be. Now, I am not saying anything about the status of children - I don’t know about that. But the loss of citizenship, in general, is not something that you have to apply for explicitly. The booklet made it very clear. It made it sound like my naturalized U.S. citizenship status was quite precarious. Of course, I can’t quote the specific language. It’s been too long. But this was precisely the impression I was left with.


53 posted on 03/03/2013 11:07:13 PM PST by Mimi3
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To: Arthalion
There is not, and never has been, ANY mechanism under which a parent can renounce the citizenship of their child.

Maybe not during the 20th century, but the Supreme Court suggested it was possible in the Wong Kim Ark decision in 1898:

and neither he nor his parents acting for him ever renounced his allegiance to the United States ...

This same statement is in the decision twice:

that said Wong Kim Ark has not, either by himself or his parents acting [p705] for him, ever renounced his allegiance to the United States,
Even in the rare case of an American child adopted by foreign parents, where the birth certificate is updated to reflect the foreign parents, U.S. citizenship is maintained.

Except that the State Department can't guarantee the protection of U.S. citizenship when an adoption is in a country that doesn't recognize dual citizenship. But, we don't know that Obama even had U.S. citizenship prior to being adopted, thus there may have been no U.S. citizenship to maintain.

55 posted on 03/03/2013 11:26:46 PM PST by edge919
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