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To: Ransomed

It seems to me that we already have DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act) on the books. That is Federal Law and remains law, even if Obama does not choose to enforce it. I don’t remember that it has been repealed.


25 posted on 02/22/2013 8:47:09 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Will Obama Join Legal Fight for Gay Marriage?

There is one mystery left to solve before the Supreme Court gathers to hear a challenge to Proposition 8 in late March.

That is: Will the Department of Justice weigh in on the case in favor of opponents of Prop 8, the California ballot measure that defined marriage as between one man and one woman? And what will it say?

Hollingsworth v. Perry concerns the California ballot initiative, enacted in 2008. In a brief filed with the court on Thursday, opponents of Prop 8 made broad arguments claiming that it is unconstitutional.

“Proposition 8 is an arbitrary, irrational and discriminatory measure that denies gay men and lesbians their fundamental right to marry in violation of the due process and equal protection clauses,” the opponents said.

The brief was written by Theodore B. Olson and David Boies, who represent the American Foundation for Equal Rights.

They wrote, “Because of their sexual orientation — a characteristic with which they were born and which they cannot change — plaintiffs and hundreds of thousands of gay men and lesbians in California and across the country are being excluded from one of life’s most precious relationships.

“They may not marry the person they love, the person with whom they wish to partner in building a family and with whom they wish to share their future and their most intimate and private dreams,” they added.

The arguments tackled more than just the ruling that struck down Prop 8 on narrow grounds specific to California’s history on the issue of gay marriage.

The language was sweeping: “The only substantive question in this case is whether the state is entitled to exclude gay men and lesbians from the institution of marriage and deprive their relationships — their love — of the respect, and dignity and social acceptance, that heterosexual marriages enjoy.

“This badge of inferiority, separateness and inequality must be extinguished. When it is, America will be closer to fulfilling the aspirations of its citizens,” they wrote.

A month ago, supporters of Prop 8 filed their brief in the case. Read it HERE.

While the administration will certainly weigh in on the other gay marriage case in front of the court — a challenge to the federal law, the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) — it has never filed a brief in the Prop 8 case because it was not directly involved.

While the DOMA case challenges a federal law that denies federal benefits to same-sex couples who are legally married in their state, the Prop 8 case asks a much broader question: Is there a fundamental right to gay marriage under the Constitution.

Solicitor General Donald B. Verrilli Jr. is not required to file a so-called “friend of the court” brief in the Prop 8 case, but sources said the administration is considering the possibility at the highest levels. If it chooses to weigh in, it has to do so by the last week of February.

In San Francisco Wednesday, President Obama told ABC News station KGO-TV, “The solicitor general is still looking at this. I have to make sure I’m not interjecting myself too much into this process, particularly when we’re not party to the case. I can tell you, though, that obviously my personal view is that I think that same-sex couples should have the same rights and be treated like everybody else.”

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama-administration-join-opposition-prop-supreme-court/story?id=18561874


31 posted on 02/22/2013 9:17:30 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: afraidfortherepublic

If the premise is that ‘gay marriage’ is inevitable, I assume DOMA goes away, and this new format with a different term for marriage comes into being. I don’t think it would be too likely at that point, but lets say it does happen. I don’t think it will last very long, as in today’s society it would be looked at as a work-around to deprive folks of their ‘equal civil rights.’ Not true, but that’s how it would be looked at.

If it kept the state from punishing people for not buying into ‘gay marriage’ somehow, then it would be worth doing. But why wouldn’t the same thing be done eventually with this term that is done with marriage now? The whole point of the ‘gay marriage’ fight is to punish folks who won’t buy into it with the power of the state. If the state decides your term should also apply to gay couples, then that is how the state will recognize it.

Freegards


37 posted on 02/22/2013 9:34:20 AM PST by Ransomed
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