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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Its not as simple as freepers like things to be

Like dems always bad and pubbies always good

Nazis and fascists were more like super nationalistic police state hybrid of crony capitalism and cradle to grave guarantees

Not really progressives at all

Progressives utterly reject nation state legacy and identity

Fascism embraces ...exalts.....exaggerates....and ...emphasizes it

There is not really a new messianic man of each according to need but rather a new man who embraces and embodies the ideal of the historical

Freepers probably won't care for this

In any event both totalitarians and authoritarians eschew liberty

Which is in comparison a third rail

As a social conservative.....hard as it may be.....i have zero in common with totalitarian progressives but i do have nationalism and cultural integrity in common with fascists

So....our academic critics are partly right about us....or me at least

I miss nolu chan and goetz von berlichingen

23 posted on 02/18/2013 12:30:56 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: wardaddy
Unfortunately ''nationalism'' usually has an under current of racism to it. Goetz von Berlichingen. There was a Waffen SS division by that name. They didn't show much of a stomach for fighting though. They got pretty chewed up by our guys in the fighting in Normandy in 1944.
24 posted on 02/18/2013 12:46:55 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: wardaddy
Progressives utterly reject nation state legacy and identity

Really?

Excerpts From: "Dreams from My Father." by Barack Hussein Obama

"If nationalism could create a strong and effective insularity, deliver on its promise of self-respect, then the hurt it might cause well-meaning whites, or the inner turmoil it caused people like me, would be of little consequence."

on nationalism: "whites are responsible for your sorry state, not any inherent flaws in you. In fact, whites are so heartless and devious that we can no longer expect anything from them. The self-loathing you feel, what keeps you drinking or thieving, is planted by them. Rid them from your mind and find your true power liberated. Rise up, ye mighty race!"

"This process of displacement, this means of engaging in self-criticism while removing ourselves from the object of criticism, helped explain the much-admired success of the Nation of Islam"

28 posted on 02/18/2013 1:28:53 AM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: wardaddy
Its not as simple as freepers like things to be Like dems always bad and pubbies always good
Democrats are always bad. Republicans are sometimes worse.
Nazis and fascists were more like super nationalistic police state hybrid of crony capitalism and cradle to grave guarantees

Not really progressives at all

Progressives utterly reject nation state legacy and identity

Fascism embraces ...exalts.....exaggerates....and ...emphasizes it

Ah, yes - the old “nationalist vs. internationalist dichotomy.” F. A. von Hayek dispatched that in 1945:
Nobody saw more clearly than the great political thinker de Tocqueville that democracy stands in an irreconcilable conflict with socialism: ‘Democracy extends the sphere of individual freedom,’ he said. ‘Democracy attaches all possible value to each man,’ he said in 1848, ‘while socialism makes each man a mere agent, a mere number. Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word: equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.’ To allay these suspicions and to harness to its cart the strongest of all political motives – the craving for freedom – socialists began increasingly to make use of the promise of a ‘new freedom’. Socialism was to bring ‘economic freedom’ without which political freedom was ‘not worth having’.

To make this argument sound plausible, the word ‘freedom’ was subjected to a subtle change in meaning. The word had formerly meant freedom from coercion, from the arbitrary power of other men. Now it was made to mean freedom from necessity, release from the compulsion of the circumstances which inevitably limit the range of choice of all of us. Freedom in this sense is, of course, merely another name for power or wealth. The demand for the new freedom was thus only another name for the old demand for a redistribution of wealth.

The claim that a planned economy would produce a substantially larger output than the competitive system is being progressively abandoned by most students of the problem. Yet it is this false hope as much as anything which drives us along the road to planning.

Although our modern socialists’ promise of greater freedom is genuine and sincere, in recent years observer after observer has been impressed by the unforeseen consequences of socialism, the extraordinary similarity in many respects of the conditions under ‘communism’ and ‘fascism’. As the writer Peter Drucker expressed it in 1939, ‘the complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia to travel the same road toward a totalitarian society of unfreedom and inequality which Germany has been following. Not that communism and fascism are essentially the same. Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion, and it has proved as much an illusion in Russia as in pre-Hitler Germany.

No less significant is the intellectual outlook of the rank and file in the communist and fascist movements in Germany before 1933. The relative ease with which a young communist could be converted into a Nazi or vice versa was well known, best of all to the propagandists of the two parties. The communists and Nazis clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties simply because they competed for the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. Their practice showed how closely they are related. To both, the real enemy, the man with whom they had nothing in common, was the liberal of the old type. While to the Nazi the communist and to the communist the Nazi, and to both the socialist, are potential recruits made of the right timber, they both know that there can be no compromise between them and those who really believe in individual freedom.

What is promised to us as the Road to Freedom is in fact the Highroad to Servitude. For it is not difficult to see what must be the consequences when democracy embarks upon a course of planning. The goal of the planning will be described by some such vague term as ‘the general welfare’. There will be no real agreement as to the ends to be attained, and the effect of the people’s agreeing that there must be central planning, without agreeing on the ends, will be rather as if a group of people were to commit themselves to take a journey together without agreeing where they want to go: with the result that they may all have to make a journey which most of them do not want at all. - The Reader’s Digest condensed version of The Road to Serfdom


39 posted on 02/21/2013 5:07:27 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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