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To: PapaBear3625

No one is interested in your fantasy life.

Libertarians and the other leftists make real gains in passing gay marriage and abortion and so on, that is actually happening, and it is the political success and reality of libertarianism/leftism.

Fantasies about that turning American voters into right wingers, is a bizarre illusion.

Libertarians are liars of the first degree, for them it is ghetto living today, with a promise that the ghetto livers will vote to end welfare tomorrow.

Pathetic.
Social conservatism creates economic conservatives, not social liberalism, which creates economic liberals.


49 posted on 02/06/2013 11:44:41 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: ansel12; PapaBear3625
>> Libertarians make real gains in passing gay marriage and abortion and so on

Your argument, ansel12, regarding libertarianism and law is contradictory.

Libertarianism: 1) an extreme laissez-faire political philosophy advocating only minimal state intervention in the lives of citizens. 2) A person who believes in the maximum amount of freedom of thought, behaviour, etc. 3) An ideological belief in freedom of thought and speech

Maybe you should consider starting your own language. You can call it, Anslish. And don't forget to include your definitions of democracy and republicanism. I'm particularly curious if you'll describe republicanism as open-borders, compassionate conservatism, and go on about how democracy really means the advancement of abortion and gun-grabbing.

50 posted on 02/06/2013 12:55:42 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: ansel12
Social conservatism creates economic conservatives, not social liberalism, which creates economic liberals.

The Puritan Pilgrims that landed at Plymouth Rock were as socially conservative as they come, while also being socialists. So it's not true that being a social conservative automatically makes one anti-socialism. There's a lot in the Gospels that can be interpreted as advocating socialism.

Fantasies about that turning American voters into right wingers, is a bizarre illusion. Libertarians are liars of the first degree, for them it is ghetto living today, with a promise that the ghetto livers will vote to end welfare tomorrow.

I'm not saying that ghetto residents will vote to end welfare. They won't. It's the rest of us, the tax payers who are fed up, who can end welfare, and through that work to end the ghetto culture.

If the objective is to cripple the ability of the Dem Party to implement their agenda, the way to do it is via economic measures: ending the enforced-by-law power of the unions; cutting back on the welfare state; drastically reducing the number of government employees; etc.

Union members, for example, can be very socially conservative, but if their union gets them to vote Dem, it advances the whole Dem agenda.

68 posted on 02/07/2013 6:14:31 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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