Posted on 01/14/2013 7:42:49 PM PST by truthfinder9
Enoch was a Godly man. His earthly existence ended but God granted that he not die, but rather be “translated” into His presence.
Back then, the people were all schizophrenic and heard voices in their head. But eventually we got control and achieved consciousness. At least that's what this guy said back in the 1970s. He spent a fair amount of time examining Gilgamesh and the Homeric epics.
Did he think that Homer must have been a nut case because he wrote such silly epics? Not to mention Virgil or Dante.
What did mankind do! Spelling, punctuation and run on sentences. Kill them all, heretics!
What did mankind do! Spelling, punctuation and run on sentences. Kill them all, heretics!
Carl Sagan said the same thing in “Broca’s Brain”. Did Carl rip him off?
In Homer, this would be Athena telling Odysseus what he should do, or Aphrodite telling Paris to run away. It's the voice of a god that suddenly intervenes in human affairs.
Jaynes further says that at the time of the Bronze Age collapse (roughly 3000 years ago), the brain began to be more well-ordered and "the voices" stopped (for most of us). At that point, humans became aware that they were aware, they understood that they could think about thinking, and you could talk to yourself in a deliberative and constructive manner. The birth of consciousness.
Very controversial book, but loaded with interesting ideas.
Not to be confused with Gil Galad, the Elven King.
Heh... This was a Jeopardy question (er, answer) on tonight’s show.
Is that why you posted this?
(Tonight’s reference to this king on Jeopardy was the first time I ever heard of him.)
It’s also fairly common idea among literary historians that individual self-consciousness or subjectivity is a fairly late development. I don’t agree, but since I’m heading off for bed, I can’t explain why at the moment. :-)
where is Nimrod in this accounting?
jeeez!...I actually have a copy of that book in my storage room.
All of that had nothing to do with the flood itself of course, the flood was a real event, but a natural event. It takes a sorry opinion of God to imagine that he would wipe the entire solar system for sin only to have sin back in business a few decades later as if nothing had happened.
Jaynes theory was that humans were not independent but were acting as agents of higher authorities. Perhaps those authorities were themselves agents of God or agents of the forces who had rebelled against God.
Having read Jaynes many times, I have the clear impression that idols did indeed speak to the non-dominant part of the bicameral brain...and may still do so in ways too subtle to hear.
There are many who believe God used the Flood to remove the nephilim from the earth (as the Book of Enoch and others so plainly explain).
I have never noticed that Jaynes bought into the theory of evolution. The origin of consciousness is only about the transformation you mention of moving from dependence on auditory perceptions to acting independently from such perceptions because they grew increasingly faint.
My theory is that mankind was destroyed because they were vegetarians. Must’ve been similar to libs today, where most vegetarians exist now.
My basis for this is Genesis 1:29 and 9:3.
In 1:29, Adam and Eve are told:
“And God said: Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed upon the earth, and all trees that have in themselves seed of their own kind, to be your food; 30 and to all beasts of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to all that move upon the earth, and wherein there is life, that they may have to feed upon.”
Hence, people and animals are vegetarian.
However, after Noah gets off the Ark in 9:3, they are told:
“And everything that moves and lives shall be food for you: even as the green herbs have I delivered them all to you.”
Note the change in menu...
Sagan never had any original ideas; even his global warming / greenhouse gases fiction was merely amplified from earlier sources.
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Thanks ClearCase_guy et al, there hasn't been a Jaynes discussion on FR in at least a few years (or, everyone kept it quiet so I wouldn't storm on in). Makes this topic pingworthy, it looked ludicrous otherwise. |
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