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To: Mozilla

There is a natural right to self determination. The Constitution has no mechanism for secession. The Constitution can only recognize natural rights, it cannot grant or withhold them.


14 posted on 01/12/2013 10:30:12 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

“There is a natural right to self determination. The Constitution has no mechanism for secession. The Constitution can only recognize natural rights, it cannot grant or withhold them.”

I very much agree with your point here. We declare the right of self-determination self-evident in the Declaration of Independence and give conditions (i.e. “a long train of abuses and usurpations”) for replacing them. But there has always been the understanding that the Union is permanent. Even the Articles of Confederation assert the permanancy of the Union multiple times. Presidents have asserted the right of the federal government to forcibly hold the Union together from the beginning. I enjoy the discussion, but in reality, seccession is a matter for the armed populace not constitutional ciations. It is a self-evident truth recognised in the 2nd amendment.


42 posted on 01/12/2013 1:46:30 PM PST by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: allmendream

“The Constitution has no mechanism for secession”

Meaning under the 10th Amendment, it was left to the states to decide. If a power is not specifiacally granted to the Feds, it remains with the states. It’s in plain english.

That is why the constitution only discusses how a state may join the union. When it may leave is automatically left to the state.


49 posted on 01/12/2013 2:58:55 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: allmendream

The natural right to self determination can be expressed by voting, by moving, by preaching and by teaching.

Some of the powers of sovereignty are expressed through government, and require collective action to have effect.


50 posted on 01/12/2013 3:01:11 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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