Posted on 01/12/2013 7:10:39 AM PST by yoe
[snip] (Standard Gravure shooting) First known shooting with ties to Prozac. Joseph Wesbecker kills 12, injures 9.
Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.
Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
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“Well, DUH!” ping.
No one has figured this out before now?
Makes me glad I’m off my meds...
Oh, “linked,” is it? How I love “journalism.” How many of the kabillions of kids on pills ever commit mass murder? A vanishingly infinitesimal subset, no doubt.
Did it occur to anyone that they got Medicares and killed people because of the same underlying problem? That being screwlooseism, for lack of a better term.
This reminds me of how people like to pretend antidepressants cause suicide. I’ll tell you how that works. There is such a thing as being too depressed to kill yourself. If the pills work you are happier, have more energy, and finally can follow through on things, for instance killing yourself.
Mass murder takes a lot of planning and some nerve. Who wants to bother when they’re feeling blue? Antidepressants give you that getupandgo you need to accomplish your goals, for instance killing others.
Additionally 60 Minutes had a segment that exposed the fact that there “is no therapeutic effect” from these. So, in view of this and the fact that the use of these powerful mind altering drugs are implicated in virtually every one of these horrific events why is the focus not on banning these drugs?
The world wonders.
Guess all that did was stir their juices up for another go.
The link is this ~ one of these young folks is beginning to manifest the disturbance we call schizophrenia ~ which will frequently lead to a violent lifestyle in many ~ and the doc prescribes pills.
The doctor might not even recognize the leading signs of schizophrenia, and the doctor would have done well to withhold the pills and send the kid to a shrink, or, in a previous time, send the kid over to the jailhouse for a look-see pending formal medical evaluation.
So, the kid gets the pills, the schizophrenia progresses, and he ends up blowing up or shooting up somebody or something, or a whole lot of somebodies and somethings!
Schizophrenia is the problem. Failure of the medical establishment to demand legal process so ordinary doctors can SEND these guys to incarceration for observation is another problem. The pills are a problem only to the extent they delay treatment.
Mitch Daniels is not your problem anyway.
Medicares = medicated
I’m off mine, too.
But now the voices are telling me you should be back on yours.
I believe they are also responsible for the enormous uptick in military suicides. They are responsible for countless acts of unbridled rage. They do NOT stop depression. They supress the natural inhibitions that prevent people from acting in ways they would never do normally.
Opensecrets.org
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One day in 1996, I found myself in the hospital waiting room. My 2 month old was having heart surgery on the 5th floor and my Dad was having quadruple bypass on the 8th. The next week I found myself in the middle of the grocery aisle, crying over which paper towel to buy. My doctor prescribed Zoloft and within days I was able to cope again. I truly believe that the degradation of our society has more to do with the lack of civility, distain for a “honest living” attitude and failure to accept personal responsibly than pills. Like my favorite Sister used to say. “todays youth cannot cope because they have never learned how to struggle”
“is no therapeutic effect”
That’s just not true. They’ve done scientifically randomized controlled drug trials, and had antidepressants failed we’d know it, and not just from some 60 Minutes episode.
Then again, who the heck knows what “depression” is, anyway, or if it even exists? It isn’t exactly diagnosed with scientific precision, so it’s inherently arbitrary to say whether it’s gotten better. However, antidepressants aren’t only used for depression, and have therapeutic value for a number of disorders and diseases.
It doesn’t need to rise to the level of schizophrenia, though. They could be free of brand name disorders yet somehow maladjusted. Teachers, parents, or whoever notice something or other, and eventually the inevitable catchall diagnoses and medication.
Then they snap. But the way they throw pills around these days they could merely be bad seeds. Or they could be worse off than recognized, as you suggest.
I recently lost my private insurance and I’m about four months shy of Medicare, so I visited the local VA Clinic for some pain meds. (I have five (count ‘em) herniated discs.)
I took all the preliminary blood and urine tests (perfect) and got an appointment to see the doctor.
Twice during the prescreening, once during the doctor’s exam and again after getting my scripts I was rigorously grilled as to my possible anxieties, depression, PTSD and anything else they could think of that might qualify for some psych drugs.
It was as if they were having a fire sale on the stuff.
They seemed positively disappointed when I assured them that VietNam was over 40 years in my past and definitely not a problem for me.
But the push to take psych meds was obvious.
Any drug that includes the caveat “We have no idea how/why this works....” should be automatically discounted as toxic.
99% of them are in the flourine family which is most commonly used as rat poison.
That should’ve been a huge clue right there.
You go ahead and put your stock in 60 minutes. I'll trust in the first hand results.
Antidepressants work by causing ‘flattening of effect’, otherwise known as “numbness”.
When you can’t “feel” sad, you might mistake it for “happy”..or you might just feel numb enough to kill yourself or others.
“Numbness” is one of the top ‘side effects’ of these drugs.
If you’ve never taken them, you have no idea what you’re talking about.
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