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To: B4Ranch
How long has it been since we won a war? Every war I can think of was fought for economic reasons and most of them didn’t further Americas position in the world one iota but they certainly did result in a lot of new millionaires.

We did win WWII. We were attacked by the Japanese and the Germans declared war on us shortly thereafter. Both nations were defeated and surrendered unconditionally. Hitler was eliminated along with the scourge of the Nazis and their trail of death and destruction that resulted in the deaths of tens of millions.

We held the line in Korea preventing the North Korean communists aided by the Chinese from taking over the country. The war really didn't end since we just had a truce that still is in force. South Korea is a free and thriving nation. The US still has a military presence there.

We failed in Vietnam despite not losing any significant military action. Almost two years after we disengaged militarily, the North Vietnamese communists took over South Vietnam killing many, forcing millions more into reeducation camps or into exile.

We forced the Iraqis out of Kuwait during Operation Desert Shield/Storm. We returned ten years later to remove Saddam Hussein and his regime as well as destroy a major portion of AQ who had declared it to be the frontline of their war against us. Saddam Hussein was captured, tried, and hung. We took out the murderous Taliban regime in Afghanistan, which had been used as the base for AQ to plan and execute the 9/11 attack against the US. Osama bin Laden was killed in Pakistan after a ten year manhunt.

We also had minor actions in Panama and Grenada.

We also had a 45 year Cold War with the Soviet Union that ended with the collapse of the Soviet Union, the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the reunification of Germany. Hundreds of millions in Eastern Europe were liberated from the Soviet Empire. Many of those liberated nations now belong to NATO.

The Viet Nam war, one where I served two tours required us to get permission from the UN Secretary of Security before attacking North Viet Nam. We were forbidden to attack any place within 20 miles of the Gulf of Tonkin coastline for fear that we might kill a Russian. Whenever the fighting slowed due to the north running low on ammo there would be diplomatic discussions held and fighting would cease until they were resupplied.

I also served two tours in Vietnam including one year in-country during the Tet Offensive. I suggest you check some of your facts.

Does that sound to you like we were fighting to win? It sure doesn’t to me and I very strongly believe that this was how every modern day war was fought. Telegraph your opponent Ambassador and suggest a timeout while you resupply. Politically this is a wonderful idea because it shows the mothers and fathers that the polidicks are actually doing something to protect our sons and daughters who are serving.

That was certainly the case in Vietnam and to a certain extent in Korea. We were fighting limited wars with limited objectives.

These days, wars are fought for the bankers and the investors, not for the establishment or preservation of individual freedoms. When people decide they want to be free let them overthrow their own dictators and be free there’s no reason we need to die for strangers who will end up hating us anyway.

We should fight wars when our strategic national interests are at stake. We should aid people who want to be free by the best available means. It is not that easy to overthrow a tyrant no matter how much you desire to do so. We had foreign help to form our nation.

13 posted on 01/11/2013 3:22:33 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

The Viet Nam war, one where I served two tours required us to get permission from the UN Secretary of Security before attacking North Viet Nam. We were forbidden to attack any place within 20 miles of the Gulf of Tonkin coastline for fear that we might kill a Russian. Whenever the fighting slowed due to the north running low on ammo there would be diplomatic discussions held and fighting would cease until they were resupplied.

I also served two tours in Vietnam including one year in-country during the Tet Offensive. I suggest you check some of your facts.

What facts need checking?


15 posted on 01/11/2013 3:48:34 PM PST by B4Ranch (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable-JFK)
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To: kabar

To my way of thinking and yours evidently WWII was the last war we actually won. Sixty five years is a long time to go without a win. This crap of fighting limited wars with limited objectives gives us a lot of wounded and disabled Vets that get crapped on when it comes to treatment, recovery assistance and job relocation. Our government does not want to pay the incidental costs of fighting a war.

I grieve every time one of our troops gets killed or wounded fighting for a bunch of Muslims who wants to overthrow America. South Korea has a whole bunch of people who want us out of Korea. I am for bringing all of our troops home. Clean the men out of Germany too.

You’re going to have to do a lot more talking to change my mind. I don’t believe our dead and wounded are appreciated by anyone except us.


16 posted on 01/11/2013 4:04:25 PM PST by B4Ranch (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable-JFK)
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