Posted on 11/16/2012 3:21:20 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
Why not learn about monetary policy, inflation, business cycle and the gold standard, reach out to libertarians, support auditing the Fed and other pro-freedom issues?
I was in the LP, the LP vote is under 1% typically. If that vote gets above that, the politician should look in the mirror and ask, what I did wrong?
When you have the highest elected Republican, Boehner, out there agreeing to raise revenues, how is anyone wrong to vote Libertarian Party. The GOP is hardly the team that is going to reduce the size and scope of the Federal Government. They haven't done it, when they had the White House, the Senate and the House.
As a libertarian, I know the greatest threat to this nation is the leviathan of the Federal Government. And when I see the Republican Party expand it, succor it and do nothing to stop it, how am I to believe that the GOP is the place I have to vote?
It's the political party's role to get out there and reach out to libertarians with policies and actions. The GOP has not done this, so how can you blame the voters?
Absolutely worth repeating.
even rr figured things out and began calling himself a libertarian-conservative....true conservatives are libertarians (small l)...the issues libertarians are said to endorse and are criticized for are simply issues that gubmint has no business sticking its nose in...true conservatism is basic libertarian in the tradition of Thomas Jefferson, Robt Taft, Barry Goldwater, RR and Dr RP, etc.
Would-be conservatives attempt to fit their own confused dumbed-down beliefs into the label...
Keep it Simple, Stupid! (kiss)
Which is why the Founders were pro abortion, pro gay marriage, and pro drugs?
But hey I know human nature being what it is, dopers do what they do regardless of the consequences. And of course it is not the only addiction harming our society. So the national theme is becoming everybody is doing something.
I have NO problem using capital punishment for drug or human trafficking. But our ‘social justice’ rulers are against the death penalty. What I find reprehensible is the so called adult pot users could care less what happens to the kids on dope. Again we have a vast wasteland of fried brains, fried at a tender young age. I do not want potheads in charge of anything. Look who resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, that just got reelected... it is like h-e-l-l-o, anybody home?
My experience has been that most so-called ‘libertarians’, have three major planks, pro-abortion, pro gay marriage and pro drugs.
Until that changes, I don’t understand why ‘libertarians’ would vote Republican over Democrat. You have far more in common with Obama.
As for the stuff you mentioned - I agree - but they have to be willing to give up all three of these first.
Yeah... That’s it. It waasn’t your pro-gay, pro-choice, anti-gun, bigger government RINO...
It was a fringe 1% Party.
Some of you idiots will never learn.
So where do I belong?
I think the most pressing problem this country faces is the uncontrolled growth of the federal government. Government growth is one side of a zero-sum game. In order for government to grow, the freedom of the individual must decline
Taxes are simply a means to control. As taxes rise, freedom is lost. The individual is no longer working for himself but for the government, enabling the government to grow larger and regulate more, thereby taking away more freedom.
There is no sanity in Washington. The government now spends trillions of dollars more than it has. The Senate hasn’t passed a budget in years. Sweeping new powers have been granted to the federal government as it now controls vast sectors of the economy, further eroding the freedom and liberty of the people. We are on the brink of serfdom.
The Constitution has been dispensed with. No where does the federal government have the power to force individuals to purchase a consumer product, yet it now forces us to do so. No where does the federal government have the power to make medical decisions, yet it is now beginning to do so. No where does the federal government have a say in how we educate our children, yet it does so. The list is becoming endless.
Democrats demand more government and wildly cheer when the beast grows. Republicans say. “We are the Party of limited government,” yet they have done nothing to shrink the size of government since the Coolidge administration, long before any of us were even born. Republicans gladly expand the size of government at every opportunity because it gives them more power. At least the Democrats are honest on this one point, they want larger government. The Republicans are worthless liars.
The United States is a sovereign nation. It has legal borders. Anyone caught crossing those borders illegally should be shot as they are crossing, just as a trespasser breaking in your front door in the middle of the night should be shot by the homeowner. The U.S.A. is our home. They are breaking in. As for the illegal foreigners already here, as they are discovered they should be stripped of all assets (house, car, bank accounts, children’s toys, anything that can be found) and immediately deported.
I don’t care what someone does in the privacy of their own home. They can smoke banana plants, freebase tomato sauce and enjoy perverted sex with household appliances and farm animals for all I care. I just do not want to see it nor do I want others harmed or infringed upon by these activities. Any intrusion by the federal government into these activities, out of public scrutiny, is granting the government more power.
Abortion, likewise, follows rules noted above. It IS an infringement and harms – kills – others. Period. Anyone who argues otherwise is either a murderer or advocates the legal murder of others. You may call it a “fetus” to try and dehumanize it but it is a human. The developing child has a heartbeat. She lives, dependant upon the mother, just as all children are dependant upon others until they are fully grown.
So where do I belong? I am not a Democrat. I am not a Republican. I am not a Libertarian. I have voted straight Republican since 1980 just to keep the worst of the choices from office (to no avail) but no political party truely represents my views.
The Libertarians seem to be the closest to my views. Limit the government and adhere to the Constitution and 90% of the country’s ills will vanish. It will be a wasted vote since no Libertarian will ever win high office, but at least I can say I didn’t vote to expand the government and further enslave my children.
Your pet RINO Willard has a track record of being more LIBERAL than even Gary Johnson.
Kinda makes your words ring really damn hollow.
So, you had all those problems and horror with the druggies. Drugs are illegal. How is this related to the re-legalization of drugs?
I hear folks saying that abortion cost republicans the women vote.
I disagree.
Romney never engaged on the subject except to muddy the waters on whether or not he supported abortion in “health of mother” cases. IOW, he came down on the side of abortion, so Obama just had to out-abortion him.
Reagan dealth with it differently. Reagan made people think. I remember him saying, “if there’s a question about it being ‘life’, shouldn’t we err on the side of life.” Reagan made women think about their babies, those tiny lives, and about the sacredness of life.
Romney didn’t make them think about anything except their “rights” and hypothetical exceptions.
Turn the hearts of the mothers to their children.
The US didn’t have drug prohibition laws for most of its history—low and behold, society didn’t collapse.
I’m not sure what the Founders thought about abortion, but I’m interested now, so I’m going to research it a bit; I do know that the Constitution technically says nothing about abortion.
Not sure what opinions they had on gay marriage either, but I imagine they wouldn’t have endorsed this.
You do realize that one can be Libertarian and not be for gay marriage, abortion, etc., right?
I have my personal morals, but I don’t really want the government enforcing my morality as I suspect this would invariably lead to many unintended consequences.
It was more than one thing. Willard came across like someone trying to rebrand themselves and pander to the base without having any real record of conservatism behind him.
I believe that abortion is murder. As F.Rabbit posted just above. If an unborn child is HUMAN, then by definition... killing it is murder.
If a Libertarian, Republican, or Democrat tells you otherwise... They are lying whether they know it or not.
That’s just ONE issue. No one believe a Moral White Knight can ride in and save us from our selves. Most of us repel the idea outright. Politicians aren’t moral. The more they say they are, the more likely they are LYING.
No. What we needed wasn’t the watered down liberalism of Willard. We needed a message of radical cutting of government power and a massive restoration of individual liberty and personal responsibility. We didn’t get it and the polls showed that...
Truth is, if this Republic is going to survive libertarianism is the only way forward. It offers a workable solution for peaceful coexistence within a nation of laws primarily advancing individual liberties. Let's take just one thing as an example...
Abortion: Regardless where you are on this issue you will have to admit it is never going to go away as long as we are in a push and pull death match wherein the winner forces their position on the other. Any conservative that thinks in this 21st century they are going to put that genie back in the bottle are deluding themselves. Libertarianism offers the only real solution for a free republic - allow each person to choose this if they want, pay for it themselves, and then accept the ramifications (moral, psychological, etc). For conservatives you are not required to financially support it and can wash your hands of involvement completely if you so choose. And note, you are still allowed/encouraged/permitted to engage in social persuasion and private institutions to encourage the better choice.
I suspect this position applied to most issues would appeal to a vast range of voters - left AND right and form a workable coalition. Of course, this would require an actual discussion of idealology in a party that only nominates the "next guy in line." Probably never going to happen. So give us your Christie, your Santorum, or whoever the next guy in line is deemed to be. Enjoy your status as the faithful opposition party.
“You do realize that one can be Libertarian and not be for gay marriage, abortion, etc., right?”
I do, that is why I’m asking the pro-drug, pro-gay marriage crowd and pro-abort crowd to decide what is more important - these three planks, or libertarianism.
Unsurprisingly, most are more devoted to these three planks than they are to libertarians.
I didn't vote for Romney because he's pro-abortion, anti-gun, pro socialized medicine, and pro big government.
GOP wants my vote, they need to earn it and quit running moderates and liberals.
/johnny
Well, in this election you got your way. So you should be happy with the outcome, right????
It is not that the “box” as you deem it is wrong but rather that many who sport the label do so from a rather linear understanding of the meaning of Libertarianism.
We are in the exact same place.
All that I know for sure is that what I’ve been doing since 1988 and up until now hasn’t worked.
It’s time to try something else.
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