Posted on 11/16/2012 3:21:20 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
‘XIX’ should be ‘XIV’
I'm not. You're fighting me to make me accept that they were right back then, and I won't do it.
Drug prohibition was a product of progressivism. It's not a conservative program, issue, idea or project. It doesn't fit with conservative principles. Why do you want to continue the war on drugs?
Is the principle here, anything that people can harm themselves with, ought to be regulated by government?
Back during the Clinton administration, we signed onto the UN drug control treaty. IIRC, CO and WA legalizing mj effectively put them out of compliance with that treaty. By doing it, they've established precedent that those UN treaties do not apply to the state governments, and that's going to complicate any enforcement of that small arms treaty Obama is wanting to sign.
The principle is that substances which enter the United States from abroad can be regulated by the United States. Always has been the case.
I’m fighting everyone who’s fighting for liberal cause de jour. That includes you.
You’re saying we should use California as an example as to how things should be run? CA is a cesspool.
Why are you fighting *for* liberal cause de jour. Liberals had three primary goals this election.
Re-elect Barack Obama.
Get dope passed.
Get gay marriage passed.
As near as I can tell - your goals were identical to theirs. THAT is what is pissing me off.
Then move to DC. No one should have to stand with their state against them with you at their back.
I'm sorry your friend has an addiction problem, but her addiction and your sophistry does not and cannot constitue an enumeration of power to the federal government to fix it.
Libertarians aren't conservatives. They don't want to join your cause.
I'm not a libertarian, but I support any reduction in penalties for marijuana use on conservative grounds. Severely penalizing pot isn't justifiable based on costs and benefit analysis. Like almost everything people do for recreation it has negative consequences, but when you start regulating minor vices you end up with Bloomberg's New York trying to tax snacks. Regulating pot is a waste of money.
Abortion, on the other hand, is murder and preventing murder is a central and essential purpose of government.
At the rate things are decaying we'll be lucky to keep the GOP pro-life. If you don't like losing I'd start thinking of ways to get the pro-life, more reasonable Ron Paul people on board for 2016 instead of looking for more reasons to split the right.
“regulating minor vices”
Being on the front lines is very different from being sheltered behind them. Texas is trafficking central. It doesn’t help us keep drugs out of America when the present Federal government has no interest in securing the border.
Are we a nation of laws or are we not? Choose carefully. I am happy to work with libertarians to tear down the massive size of the state. But Libertarians shouldn’t be driving the bus. Moderates shouldn’t be driving the bus - conservatives should be driving the bus. Too often we have let other people drive because we are afraid they will take off if we don’t.
“I’m sorry your friend has an addiction problem, but her addiction and your sophistry does not and cannot constitue an enumeration of power to the federal government to fix it.”
Damned right on that - so why aren’t you attacking taxpayer funded treatment programs?
The border is a war zone and should be treated as such. It should be defended with every weapon at our disposal.
What does that have to do with a grow house in Washington?
“Texas is trafficking central.”
Did you miss these four words? You seem to believe these are separate battles- they, are not. They are one and the same.
I'm against federally funded treatment programs. If a state wants to set up a treatment program, that's well within their authority. I might or might not vote for or support one in my own state, but I don't have any business telling some other state they must or cannot do it. That's for the citizens of that state to decide.
I frequently do not agree with the laws that the citizens and legislatures of other states pass, but being a replican means I have to recognize that as long as it's not exercising a power explicitly enumerated and transferred to the federal government in the Constitution, it is within their authority to do it.
The problem is that rights are balanced by responsibility. If we are giving people the right to use certain substances then it stands to reason that addiction ought to be their responsibility. As it stands, that’s not the case.
Insofar as WA funds addiction clinics that are funded by Obamacare - what goes on in WA is federal concern. This is why Obamacare is a game changer. If people in Texas are funding treatment centres in WA - then people in Texas have a say as to whether they legalize pot.
Everything is connected but some things are a lot more connected than others.
Grow houses in Washington state are only slightly connected to the drug war at the border. And the impact of that connection could go either way. Could be that legal domestic production will reduce demand for imports, reducing the violence. Could be that legal production will increase demand by legitimizing marijuana use, causing increased violence as profits rise.
Of course complete legalization nationally would eliminate the profit margins of illegal importers, but that would be against the conservative principles of the Food and Drug Administration.
That's not my fault. Wanting everyone else to pay for and put up with a federal bureaucracy to keep her from being able to get whatever she's addicted to isn't putting the responsibility on her, it's putting it on the rest of us. You want what you're complaining about.
Is pot more or less addictive than alcohol? Your argument would justify a nanny state worse than any that exists at present, which has always been my argument against all forms of national health care.
Maybe you should devote your activism to fighting Obamacare instead of trying to facilitate its most authoritarian implications.
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