As long as conservative can agree on a particular third party ... good riddance to the ineffectual GOP. However, to get most conservatives to agree on a particular third party will be the trick.
I am not the biggest fan of Buchanan, but I believe he nails it here. I think the best chance for the GOP to become relevant again is to become Populist. But the Country Clubbers won’t allow it.
Uh no. If we had not lost the manufacturing jobs those states would be even more democrat. I don't see his point but that is not unusual because Pat Buchanan has some bizarre ideas.
Mr. Buchanan, right again, as usual...
Amnesty will swamp social services that are already on life support. Look at CA. They can’t even deal with the legal aliens.
Democrat party = ultra left wing..
Republican party = very left wing..
Libertarian party = left wing open to making a profit.. like the chinese..
What America needs is a right wing party..
There is none, zip.. none.. NO RIGHT WING at all..
I’ve looked there is none..
America has been, and Is Brain washed..
SO thoroughly that even leaning left concepts are called right wing..
State and Local givernment are vassals of the federal givernment..
And few there be that DON’T want it that way..
This seems a bit strong to me, but
(in a very different situation, and from a quite different perspective) Karl Marx did describe certain problematical conditions of his time and place, rather well.... but he then went on to propose a totally unworkable answer for them.
Here, Mr. Buchannan offers his view of some problematical conditions... but what is the answer (Or is an answer on offer? I don’t see one in the article...perhaps we are supposed to surmise one and I’m not catching on?)
We all know there’s a problem. I think the problem is far beyond a racial or even just a “I want my freebies!” issue. I think the problem is philosophical.. in that many of the O voters might really wish to make good lives for themselves (and not continue on the dole until they croak and go to Obama’s great socialist cremation kiln). At least some of them would, I believe, want to make good lives for themselves. But, while you and I know Gov. Romney would be far, far better for the economy and jobs that the demolition derby we have in the White House, did this message really get communicated to the voters on Obama’s dole? Did the R campaign go into the centers of unemployment and explain how there really would be jobs for people if he were elected? I think Gov. Romney wanted to do this. I do not know if he really succeeded, however?
I do not agree with Mr. Buchannan that the problem is that immigrants all, or mostly, want to freeload off the rest of us. Some, yes but my personal experience meeting (mostly Mexican) immigrants is that most of them are far more prone to get out and WORK, and work hard, rather than sitting on their butts watching Oprah and Geraldo all day. (what a horrible life that!).... In fact, Mr. Buchannon, it appears that we may have far more native USA people that won’t work, or won’t do a good day’s job if they do wind up on a payroll somewhere. I’ve never seen so many people with low or missing work ethics. And, most of these appear to be native Americans, not so many seem to be in the immigrant community. Again, this is just a personal anecdotal account and nothing scientific... but it persists over several years already.... what say you, Mr. Buchannon?
If I am even partly correct, then the problem is much larger than just a bunch of lazy, greedy illegal immigrants.
I think we may need to get our own house in order, too.....
I don’t think Pat has any useful answers. Manufacturing still exists in the US, we just make different things. I’ve read our output actually is at an all time high.
We’ve just reached a new level of mechanization which requires an all time low of semi-skilled labor. Robots replace workers on assembly lines.
However, he is right in that too many people are sucking up to China for no good reason, and Mexico.
When a party loses by 2 points that hardly means it is headed for extinction. Obama was so protected by the media that many people were swayed by the his I need more time plea and many guilty white people did not want to vote out the first black president
The first sentence in the first comment of the 267 under the article at the source reads: “The United States is the greatest country in history.” And that’s the problem. Not the assertion itself, which may or may not be true, but bringing it to a discussion as an argument. Another worn out cliche. And cliches spoken reflect cliched thinking. The Right relies too much on them, and they sell as well as Coca Cola slogans from the 1950s would, which is why they’re not used today, D’uh!
Other than that, Buchanan is as usual right on target.
Interesting point about the large number of LEGAL immigrants who are beholden on the government. That is quite a base for any party with a socialist platform.
The “conventional wisdom” is that the GOP has to change its ideology because of shrinking numbers.
So where the HELL are all of the articles in the MSM about the MSM needing to change their own damn politics because of shrinking audience numbers??
Enough rational thought, I now return you to your Saturday evening, already in progress.
It's already there. Two-in-a-row RINOs equaled a lot of stay at home conservative voters. That they ever considered Christie a viable candidate verifies the GOP is truly out of touch and a waste of effort to conservative voters.
A black or latino candidate in either candidacy position would have secured far more minority votes than what Romney mustered. The obvious was apparently beyond the view of the GOP-kingmakers. Unless drastic ideology changes are made to and by the GOP hierarchy, incorporating true conservative values and candidates espousing them, 2016 will be no different.
bloody hell, he is right on.
America is heading for the bone yard. In fact, it just arrived. It GOP is irrelevant.
I think Buchanan makes a lot of good points. At the same time, I have to ask the question: Why does no one say Democrats have ‘died’ when they lose elections? Where were the cries for Democrats to have a more relevant message after Bush was elected twice? And after the Tea Party victories of 2010? Conservatives - and some Republicans - still have a relevant message. Listen to Rush at CPAC again. The whole time I kept scratching me head thinking, ‘Here’s the man most hated by the Left, and I can’t understand why any Black or Hispanic wouldn’t agree with the fundamentals of what he’s saying.’ The problem is that we need to streamline our message. Too much has been added in that wasn’t meant to go there in the first place.
Thanks for this thread.
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” - - - the Republican Party has at last awakened to its existential crisis.”
WRONG AGAIN, Pat Buchanan, wrong again.
Your analysis Pat, is based on the flawed assumptions of the sorry GOP-Elite.
Sit straight Pat, and shut your mouth so that your ears can stay open!
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The sorry, VERY sorry, Republican Party is their own worst enemy.
Ponder with me Pat:
1.) Whatever possessed the Elite of the Republican Party to endorse the Father of Romney”care” to be their standard bearer against the Father of Obama”care” which was modeled after Romney”care?” Thus, no surprise for late and weak support for Romney.
2.) Whatever possessed the GOP-E to exclude the Father of the TEA Party from any activities at the RNC Convention in Tampa? Thus, no surprise for late and weak support for Romney.
3.) Whatever possessed the GOP-E to allow Romney to stop campaigning after the Primary until AFTER some people had started early voting? Thus, no surprise on weak and late support for Romney.
These are just 3 of the large number of PLANNED methods that would insure late and weak support for Romney.
Thus, the GOP and Romney had together succeeded in achieving late and weak voter support for Romney, and the Candidates for GOP US Senators and House Representatives. They were all lucky to get as many votes as they did.
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What IS surprising to the GOP-E, we saw as no surprise at all.
Also, we are NOT surprised that the GOP-E did not listen to us.
All we have to do is to read and watch as the elected GOP Congress caves in to the Democrats.
Own it GOP, you no longer represent us, your former BASE!
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IMHO, Romney did not really want to be President. He saw it as something that he was well-qualified for, and probably should do.
The GOP-E gave the distinct impression that they were only interested in going through the motions of looking good on TV in their shiny-bottomed, empty suits.
The Grand RINO Party DESIGNED this Presidential Election to fail, but also to look good on TV at the same time. MY, my, weren’t all those colored baloons great at the RNC Convention?!
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What looks good to the GOP, looks bad for The United States of America.
Will the GOP continue to be the Political Joke of the Century? (Looks good.)
Or will the GOP awake to its crisis of very low brainpower? (Looks bad.)
Will the GOP lose to a third Party in 2014? (looks good.)
Will the GOP lose to a third Party in 2016? (Looks VERY good!)
The clock is ticking Pat.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock
Pat has it right, although you could debate about whether free trade really has anything to do with it. The bottom line is that the GOP, by allowing tens of millions of low-skilled immigrants “of color” into the country, legally and illegally, signed its own death warrant. They will become straight ticket Democrat voters for the most part, and our appeals to them in English about the greatness of freedom and liberty will literally fall on deaf ears as they for the most part don’t understand English. The coup de grace will be delivered over the next four years, as Obama legalizes the existing contingent of illegal aliens, and that will be the end of it. Those Senators and Congressmen who stand in the way of the Democrats and full control of Congress are dead men walking. If they are lucky enough to survive 2014, they will not survive 2016. Whether they roll-over like good little puppies, or go to the mat, it makes no difference. They’re goners.
The hour has passed for Republican, Democrat, Libertarian and Independent parties who court any depravity or ethnicity for votes and power. It’s time for the LOT (Leaving On Time) Party. Should Lot have softened his stance on Sodomites and their supporters or his abhorrance of the practices of that godless society just so he and his family could “fit in?”
2 Corinthians 6:17 It’s time to decide. The majority of Americans already have.