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To: Utmost Certainty
But realistically, arguing that abortion should be categorically banned under any circumstances isn’t going to win them elections.

We win lots of elections with that, this was one of the areas of weakness with Romney.

Not only does it save lives, but it is noble, and spiritual. It reflects positively on the party, that while arguing money and taxes, it also endures a beating from the media and popular culture for caring for something besides themselves, something that can't vote, and has no obvious economic benefit to anyone, no obvious benefit at all in a political sense, it reveals a caring love of children and even romantic love and a love of life, a deeper love at the core of the republican side, it reinforces the view of republicans as the dads and moms, and the newlyweds and the wholesome people, the caring lovers, the kind of people that everyone aspires to be.

Pro-life is the kind of thing that people come to accept when they get in touch with their better self, if they didn't start as pro-life already. We are winning that argument, and it is not only an argument that needs to be made, it is a fight that without it, then we are no longer worthy to exist.

You propose to become a democrat party II with better economics, frankly, you should be struggling to fight and win control within the democrat party, not the GOP.

Rather than think that you will erase God from American life, you should go the easier route of trying to convert the democrat party into a more economically conservative version of itself.

161 posted on 11/09/2012 10:03:23 PM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12
We win lots of elections with that, this was one of the areas of weakness with Romney.

Really? Because I heard Romney say quite clearly at the conclusion of either the 1st or 2nd debate, that he was absolutely 100% pro-life. Now of course, the politically informed among us would draw his MA governing record into question and likely dispute that… but most people don't vote on that basis because they're not that informed.

And no, I don't propose to turn the GOP into the Democratic Party w/ better economics. This is more of a philosophical distinction between individualism vs. collectivism, with the Democratic Party being thoroughly ensconced in the latter.
170 posted on 11/09/2012 10:17:39 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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