[ThermoNuclearWarrior]

The Union is dead, and now it's time to salvage whatever we can of a nation that our founding fathers envisioned. We have to take the revolutionary action that's needed to even have a chance at saving anything. Like-minded Conservative states need to start working together for closer ties in preparation of surviving as independent nations, or building a new union based on our current disregarded Constitution. Let the liberal states destroy themselves, but don't let those who destroy them seek refuge in any new union or they will destroy it just the same.

It's time for states that still have common sense leaders to rid themselves of the enormous and unconstitutional federal government. We are collapsing regardless, but lets do it on our own terms instead of waiting for it to catch many individuals and states unprepared even though everyone can see it coming.

We can't keep lying to ourselves and thinking we will be able to solve our problems in the broken system we have. We also can't survive Obama for another term, and we will end up worse off if we just sat idly by as we collapse.

[Twinkie]

Your “salvage” idea sounds good. We’re in a southern red state; in fact, a huge chunk of the country is made up of red states. We do need to cooperate and share with each other as much as possible (barter, etc.) Know any websites?