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To: bluecat6

“Note to this: It is possible that the background of the LFBC is authentic. The 9’s mean - not stated.”

Arpaio’s Posse claims that the fact that the signature stamp and seal “float” in the pdf makes it impossible to have been a scan of an original paper document. The 9’s might have been lifted from sample LFBC, but if it is a paste-up job, the 9’s cannot be relied on.

I agree that your analysis is mostly plausible, but, IIRC, the INS FOIA docs show the baby name to be BHO or BHO II almost immediately...way before the divorce. I don’t buy the narrative that the divorce was needed to legitimate lack of an HI legal marriage. There is an HI marriage vital record for BHO and SADO and the INS docs record the U of HI reporting a marriage on the same date as corroborated in the divorce records.

The problem of the marriage, as seen by INS, is that it was either bigamous due to a reported Kenyan wife, or a sham, i.e. a legal ceremony but no actual intention to be married but only gain immigration status. SADO had plenty of motivation to divorce BHO Sr.! The man was a beast.

SADO is also on record at U of WA using the name Obama in 1961-62, so at a minimum her baby would presumably have the last name, Obama, and Barack is the name remembered by Toutonghi and SADOs friends as being Barry’s name.

As to why BHO didn’t mention the baby in late Aug 1961, SADO might have still been on her back from Kenya, IMO.


361 posted on 12/20/2012 6:38:50 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

“There is an HI marriage vital record for BHO and SADO and the INS docs record the U of HI reporting a marriage on the same date as corroborated in the divorce records.”

I am fully aware of the index record on the marriage. But the question has to be what drove that entry?

Was it a legitimate marriage in February, with a legitimate marriage license that was properly registered in Maui in 1961? If so that collaborative evidence has not emerged.

Or, was index entry driven from the divorce filing? After all, to have a divorce you would have to have had a marriage. So for the state records to hang together the marriage - that may not have been previously registered with the state - would have had to have a record created during the divorce.

So I believe the net of the evidence that supports a supposed marriage is:

- Index record.
- Obama statement on his fall 1961 form.
- The divorce filing of 1964. And that filing, as we know, has a page missing.

Does these elements ‘prove’ marriage? I think not. As pointed the parties involved would have had benefit of committing fraud to resolve messy situations or possible messy situations.

What would get me to ‘proved’ status?

- Photos of happy couple.
- Direct and accurate testimony of friends and witnesses of the event.
- A legal license of the marriage with signatures and from February 1961.

I have read that faux divorces are used by illegal immigrants to create faux marriage for the purpose of getting a green card. It seems to be a relatively known and relatively common practice. So this approach is not unknown or unique to those who commit fraud for the purpose of illegal immigration.

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“As to why BHO didn’t mention the baby in late Aug 1961, SADO might have still been on her back from Kenya, IMO.”

Keeping with the KISS approach the concept of SAD traveling to Kenya in 1961 is difficult to accept.

The list of reasons for this statement:

- No records showing SAD traveled to Kenya.
- No records that Obama senior traveled to Kenya.
- The logistics are improbable. There were no 777s back then. Cross continental air flight was barely started. Inter-continental jet air travel was barely started. It was expensive and required many more stops than similar travel by today’s standards.

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I find the theories of Kenyan birth and the concept of Mal-Val both far more complex than a sloppy unplanned, undesired pregnancy, faux marriage and related faux divorce with the purpose of cleaning up messy - very messy - personal situations.

I have just tried to fill in gaps. I am not sure if many of these have been filled the last week with this discussion. Maybe some material, significant, verifiable evidence will emerge to help with that. Maybe not.

Referencing advanced mathematical concepts - with only a few data points many different and disparate equations can fit the curve. Such seems to be the case here.

I think I am done for now. Peace and merry Christmas.


372 posted on 12/21/2012 3:04:55 AM PST by bluecat6 ("All non-denial denials. They doubt our ancestry, but they don't say the story isn't accurate. ")
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