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To: SvenMagnussen; LucyT; WildHighlander57

The Afroyim v. Rusk SCOTUS ruling contradicts your analysis and conclusions. If Congress can make no law stripping citizenship from US citizens, then Rusk, as a member of the executive branch who can only enforce constitutional laws, had no authority under any law to issue a CLN regarding young Barry or any minor after 1967.

If Barry was never a US citizen in the first place, or if he did voluntarily surrender his nationality after turning age 18, then he might have had to be nationalized. But there is no hard evidence that he was a US citizen at birth, other than evidence that he was actually on his mother’s passport before being stricken and that the INS FOIA files reveal that some sort of investigation showed Barry to be a US citizen.

If Barry was a US citizen on his mom’s passport and the Elg case and the Rusk SCOTUS cases preserved his US citizen status regardless of any dual citizenship or adoption, then why does Barry have a bogus SS# that he didn’t start using until the mid-1980s? My best guess is that Bill Ayers forged a new identity for Barry due to some criminal Marxist terrorist activities...and Barry continues to use the SS# he gained from that identity even after he reverted to his birth name.


117 posted on 12/13/2012 10:01:21 AM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

A very important point for Afroyim in Afroyim v Rusk is that he did not ask for or file anything with the State Depart or INS to demonstrate an intent to renounce his U.S. Citizenship ... no Oath of Renunciation or Declaration of Intent to release himself from the privilege and obligation of U.S. Citizenship.

It is a similar situation with Obama. He did not post, file or ask to be denationalized as a U.S. Citizen. Yet, SoS issued Obama a CLN after his mother filed a passport renewal application and informed the State Department, as she was required to do per the instructions of the renewal form, Obama would have to be removed from her renewed passport because he had naturalized in a foreign state after she had included him on her old passport.

Obama’s name in parenthesis (Barack Hussein Obama, Soebarkah) and name struck through are in the instructions of the renewal form to indicate a person who had been included on the old passport and would have to be excluded on the renewed passport because he had naturalized in a foreign state.

SoS Rusk, based on the information provided by Stanley Ann, issued Obama a CLN without an Oath of Renunciation or any act or affirmation Obama intended or understood the ramification of abandoning his U.S. Citizenship. Rusk had a history of doing this. Some people, like Afroyim, sued in U.S. Federal Court to get their U.S. Citizenship back.

The U.S. State Department instituted a policy for minors who had been issued CLNs after they moved out of the country and naturalized in a foreign state to recapture their U.S. Citizenship and natural-born citizenship status. The policy indicated the former U.S. Citizen had until 6 months after their 18th birthday to file a form to declare their intent to keep their U.S. Citizenship and state an Oath of Allegiance. The Oath of Allegiance was required because Rusk issued the CLN because he determined the former U.S. Citizen had abandoned their allegiance to the U.S. by naturalizing in a foreign state.

For those individuals who didn’t perform an affirmative act to recapture their U.S. Citizenship, their U.S. Citizenship was lost. The only option left was to immigrate to the U.S., obtain a Permanent Resident Alien status, and the naturalize as a U.S. Citizen. Naturalized U.S. Citizens have all the rights and privileges of a natural-born citizen, except they are ineligible for POTUS and VPOTUS.

Seizethecarp and others are asking Constitutionalists to ignore the fact Obama was notified by the U.S. State Department his U.S. Citizenship had been terminated and he had 6 months after his 18th birthday to get it back. Obama made a choice not to recapture his U.S. Citizenship and let the deadline pass. Years later, Obama changed his mind and decided to naturalize as a U.S. Citizen. Naturalized U.S. Citizens are not eligible for POTUS. It’s a Constitutional issue.


122 posted on 12/13/2012 10:59:40 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (TINKER, TAILOR, SOLDIER, SPY)
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To: Seizethecarp; SvenMagnussen; LucyT; WildHighlander57

Milestones of the early 80s around Obama and NY and Chicago.

6/1/1980-9/1/1980 Obama lives with Thummalapally. He is still in LA. When did he go to Hawaii to fill out his selective service form? “Thummalapally lived with Obama the summer of 1980. The two ran together daily, three miles in the early morning, often chatting about their dreams. Thummalapally wanted to start a business back home; Obama talked about helping people.”

7/30/1980 Date that Obama supposedly filed out and filed Selective Service Card. Uses address 1617 S. Beretania Honolulu Hawaii 96826. Phone - 808-949-2317. Supposedly SAD home.

8/28/1980 SAD divorce from Soetoro final (and as recorded in passport records)

9/4/1980 Selective Service Assigns Obama a number. From Allen letter dated March 4, 2009 FOIA request.

12/3/1980 WeatherUnderground fugitives Bill Ayers and Dohrn turn themselves in.

12/15/1980- 1/10/1981 Obama is in Hawaii. Meets 1/2 sister. Dates approximate. “The way his half sister, Maya, remembers it, Obama returned home at Christmas in 1980, and there he told his mother and grandparents: no more Barry.”

1/14/1981 Dohrn receives a $1,500 fine in court in Chicago

6/1/1981 Obama travels to Pakistan, India, Kenya and Indonesia for at least 3 weeks. Date is not exact.

8/17/1981 State Department issues rules for Pakistan travel - requires 30 day Visa. It is available at airport. Note - yes, US Citizens could get into Pakistan. But they did need a visa.

9/1/1981 BHO II goes to NY according to narrative story. Lives at #3E, 142 W. 109th St., Roommate is Phil Boerner.

9/21/1981 Bombing of ERU in Schenectady. Suspected of being BLA or WUO.

10/20/1981 May 19 Communist Group (fomer WUO) and Black Liberation Army (BLA) members rob Brinks truck killing 2 police officers and guard. Some black suspects who participated escape authorities.

8/1/1982 Obama (supposedly) cousin Raila Amolla Odinga indicted for coup attempt in Kenya He is arrested. Charged with treason and detained for 6 years.

11/24/1982 Obama Senior dies in suspicious auto accident.

11/26/1982 Date of Obama Sr Death according to some accounts. Why 2 different dates?

5/10/1983 Obama’s article ‘Breaking the War Mentality’ is published in Columbia University’s Sundial magazine.

6/15/1983 Valerie Jarrett marries Dr. William Robert Jarrett, son of Vernon Jarrett.

8/4/1983 BHO II turns 22.

8/15/1983-5/30/1984 Dates approximate. Obama starts work at Business International Corp. A company known for being a CIA front company. Supposedly works there for ‘about a year’.

6/1/1984 Obama moves to Chicago. “I came because of Harold Washington”
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/January-1993/Vote-of-Confidence/

6/1/1985 Obama moves to Chicago. Barack moved to Chicago in 1985 where he worked as a community organizer with low-income residents of Chicago’s South Side. Note - other entries says moved to Chicago in 1984.

http://www.barack-obama-bio.com/barack-obama-timeline.php

http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/election08/articles/2009/01/18/20090118inaug-timeline0118.html

http://chicago.about.com/od/chicagopeople/a/ObamaTimeline.htm

1984 or 1985? When did Obama really move and start living in Chicago? If really 1985 then there is another gap in the timeline from summer of 1984 to 1985.

Note: Dates above have been documented from various sources. This is not a claim that they are accurate or proven (other than the historical events such as the terrorists activities - those are firm.)


124 posted on 12/13/2012 11:32:52 AM PST by bluecat6 ("All non-denial denials. They doubt our ancestry, but they don't say the story isn't accurate. ")
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