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Why Romney’s Right: Many Cheap Ships Safer Than Few Expensive Ones
Pajamas Media ^ | October 23, 2012 | Bob Owens

Posted on 10/24/2012 2:00:19 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We also need more, not fewer, nuclear weapons. Smaller, less yield, cleaner. In short, we need the neutron bomb.


21 posted on 10/24/2012 2:53:40 PM PDT by maro (We tried the hope. It's time for change.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Navy said they needed 313 ships to carry out their mission.

Then why is Romney calling for a 350 ship navy if the Navy puts their needs at 313? Why is Romney saying they need an 11th air wing when the navy hasn't had a one-for-one relationship between air wings and carriers since before the Cold War and has done very nicely all that time? Why is Romney calling for a whole new class of frigates when the need for frigates died with the Soviet Union? Is is a defense budget or a pork barrel? Or is it a campaign idea in search of a strategy?

22 posted on 10/24/2012 2:54:19 PM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: GeronL
Yes, small, stealthy, jet powered drones that carry 1 or 2 AMRAAMs internally, AESA radar and long wings. Basically, a high enduance, hard to detect weapon and sensor platform, prepositioned against a threat.
23 posted on 10/24/2012 2:58:19 PM PDT by ryan71
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To: ryan71

Remember when the intel plane got shot down the begging of GW Bushes term?

My cousin was on a sub one time and I asked him about the attack sub that showed up in Japan a day or two after. If that sub could have snatched the Chinese pilot that bailed out and got to Japan in that time. He just looked at me and smiled.


24 posted on 10/24/2012 2:59:44 PM PDT by crz
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To: Delhi Rebels; 2ndDivisionVet
... the need for frigates died with the Soviet Union?

Do you understand who protects the Carriers? Subs, Destroyers, and FRIGATES! The more surface protection available, the greater opportunity for successful OPS!


25 posted on 10/24/2012 3:00:50 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("The Obama administration has 'no moral compass' ..." - Sarah Palin)
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To: ryan71

Half of them can be carrying anti-radar missiles to hit enemy radar and SAM sites along a coastline and then farther inland.


26 posted on 10/24/2012 3:04:02 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: crz
My bro had to go through the Mediterranean during the Gulf War. My dad said....Don't worry...we have the best Air Force in the world protecting you.

Then his ship sat off the Coast of XXXX for 30 days with tons of missiles on board waiting for a call.

My dad was a Sparky in WWII. 4 tours shipping supplies to England and France.

27 posted on 10/24/2012 3:04:02 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (r)
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To: Bryanw92

bump


28 posted on 10/24/2012 3:06:18 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Quantity has a quality of its own.


29 posted on 10/24/2012 3:06:32 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Bryanw92

Or make those UAV pilots warrant officers, as many Army pilots currently are. Of course, the USAF hasn’t had warrant officers since someone was a lance corporal, but the stroke of a pen could change that. The RAF and others have “flying officers” and the services had enlisted pilots prior to WWII.


30 posted on 10/24/2012 3:06:54 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Good on him.

I had two uncles in the pacific. One on the Missouri and the other in the Marines. The one in the Marines would not talk. But the other would talk all the time. All the one in the Marines would talk about is how drunk they got after they heard the atom bomb was dropped.


31 posted on 10/24/2012 3:07:57 PM PDT by crz
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To: WVKayaker
Do you understand who protects the Carriers? Subs, Destroyers, and FRIGATES

And we currently have over 60 guided missile destroyers with another dozen in the pipeline along with 20 guided missile cruisers to protect those carriers. That averages to almost 8 escorts per carrier. Currently a carrier strike force escort consists of a cruiser, a sub, and two, maybe three destroyers. I'd say the supply is adequate to the requirements.

The Navy built frigates during the Cold War because it was faced with the very real possibility of having to escort convoys filled with troops and supplies across the Atlantic in the face of a Soviet invasion of Europe. That threat no longer exists. All the Knox class frigates were retired long ago. The few remaining Perry class frigates have had their missiles removed and aren't used for much other than anti-drug patrols. Frigates don't factor in to the Navy's needs - cruisers and destroyers do. So why take funding away from the more capable ships just to buy less capable ones to fill the same job? Or worse, a job that no longer exists?

32 posted on 10/24/2012 3:12:02 PM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Or make those UAV pilots warrant officers, as many Army pilots currently are.

Make them enlisted. It's not commonly known but the Navy and Marines had enlisted pilots before the Second World War. Most were commissioned during the war, but I was in the Navy when the last Enlisted Pilot retired in the 70's. Given the nature of video games and their popularity among young people I'd be surprised if there wasn't a talent pool of enlisted men and women with a talent for flying drones remotely.

33 posted on 10/24/2012 3:16:38 PM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: Delhi Rebels

A Warrant Officer 1 only makes $2,763 a month, vs. $2,046 a month for an E-4 over two years. Not much of a difference there, but they’d have officer status commensurate with the responsibility of piloting an expensive, deadly aircraft.


34 posted on 10/24/2012 3:22:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: crz
2 uncles on my mom's side. 7 brothers including my dad on that side.

All 7 served simultaneously at one point.

On/about VJ Day, my mom headed uptown with me (age one) in arms for a hometown celebration...A soldier from out of town came by and asked my mom if he could hold me. He said "I just want to hug someone". Yes, I got a hug.

35 posted on 10/24/2012 3:28:09 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (r)
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To: Delhi Rebels

How much ability does the carrier escorts have after the carrier is sunk or disabled?


36 posted on 10/24/2012 3:34:36 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Sacajaweau

Ya know..my sister who is 76 said she doesnt even remember the end. We lived so far out in the sticks that nobody knew till about a good while after.
Dad was given a draft deferment because he owned two sawmills and could not go. They actually came up from Milwaukee and gave the whole crew such because they needed lumber for shipping crates. So your Dad, actually may have carried supplies that were in shipping crating made by lumber from my dads sawmills.


37 posted on 10/24/2012 3:34:40 PM PDT by crz
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How much ability does the carrier escorts have after the carrier is sunk or disabled?

I'm missing your point.

38 posted on 10/24/2012 3:37:23 PM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: Sacajaweau

We need horses and bayonets and battleships, Monitors, and sailing ships!

Really, we need a tall training ship for the Naval Cadets, (we have one for the Coast Guard) Call her the USS United States.
With Rail guns a monitor like ship might not be bad we could even name her the USS Monitor. And Battleships? A small Pocket Battleship might use up all the 16 inch shells we have in storage. She might be able to shoot atomic shells too!


39 posted on 10/24/2012 3:39:18 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Delhi Rebels

If they sink/disable the carrier, do we fight, retreat or blame a Youtube video?

How much real offensive power (not just defensive) do the escorts have? Can they still coordinate and continue fighting if the carrier is taken out of the picture?


40 posted on 10/24/2012 3:47:04 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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