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To: Sherman Logan
The idea that any government-run health system will result in worse outcomes for every group is just the flip side of the idiocy put out by proponents that outcomes will improve for every group while costs still go down.

Government run health care will indeed make the health care worse for EVERYONE but the very rich. That is obvious by looking around the world at other government systems. Nothing, absolutely nothing good will come from any government (ie sadistic bureaucratic control) system.

You need to ponder the unintended consequences of government intervention. We have no idea of the advances in medicine that would already be available in the market place if not for the of decades of abusive regulations and the corruption of the FDA.

If third party health care didn't exist (came about b/c of government controls), if the FDA didn't exist, if government licensing of medical schools didn't exist, then the health care would be much further advanced and most assuredly less expensive than we can imagine.

It is ONLY because of government intervention that our medical system is corrupted and expensive. Milton Friedman has written extensively on this matter.

It must somehow be made clear and foremost to people that the primary cause of the health care "crisis" is government. Look at how the quality of education is going down while prices rise. Why for the past 30 plus years has College cost exceeded inflation? Simply, because of the government student loan program.

If health care is ever to be considered not a crisis then somehow mechanisms must be in place to transition government (states/fed) completely out of health care.

43 posted on 10/03/2012 10:16:03 AM PDT by sand88
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To: sand88
That is obvious by looking around the world at other government systems.

While I largely agree with you, you overstate your case. Many of the health care systems around the world run pretty well. France and Singapore, for example, are generally reported to have quite effective systems, with of course flaws as all systems have.

The US excels in many areas, and is near the back of the pack in others. What is indisputable, I believe, is that we spend more than any other country, and yet many Americans don't have ready access to medical care when they need it.

The government will never be able to fully remove itself from the health care system.

The American people ARE NOT going to be willing to have people dying on the street in front of the hospital because they don't have insurance.

This means that either everybody must be forced to buy insurance, OR government will pick up the tab for emergency care of those who choose not to, OR providers will be forced to provide care, which they will compensate for by increasing the charges to those who can pay.

I'm not necessarily in favor of this situation, just reporting it. The whole purpose, economically speaking, of a "health care system" is to spread the cost of the total system out over the entire population. The vast majority, who don't get really sick in any given year, will pay in a lot more than they get out. They can pay in via insurance, or through taxes, or through some combination of the two, as in most countries.

What will not and cannot work is guaranteed availability to every citizen, without enforced contribution from all citizens.

44 posted on 10/03/2012 10:43:20 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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