Posted on 09/20/2012 10:21:11 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
leave the two citizen requirement off... for now.
demand they submit the birth certificate in order to prove eligibility. without it, there is NO PROOF he is eligible... and ANYONE claiming he is eligible is also committing election fraud, as they have never seen any proof and/or are not qualified to vouch for it
of course, if he does submit it OFFICIALLY... he will be committing felony forgery and election fraud
both impeachable as they are felonies that usually comes with prison time
No don’t leave it off! That is the point. This requirement comes from Emmerich Vattels Law of Nations which our Founding Fathers used as a reference in the development of our Constitution. It is from that document that the distinction of “natural born citizen” comes from! It matters not if he was born in Honolulu or not, he does not meet the requirement and just because 50 secretaries of state didn’t do their job last time it would not excuse them from not doing it this time!
Ravenstar
Good. Obama is the Democratic nominee now. They can’t use that as an excuse this time.
i understand he’s not eligible as he cannot be a natural born citizen due to his father
but that point will be argued in circles
felony forgery... that’s cut & dry
Whatever happens in November, I hope birthers double our efforts to expose the complicity of both parties in this fraud. Both parties are run by traitors.
Now that Obama is officially the DNC candidate...there should be a real ruling on this
So sick and tired of PhonyCon GOP politicians and GOP Media attacking the people who want the Obama Eligibility issue legally answered. Those GOP who are not Obama Birthers by now...have been Obama Supporters all along
This looks to be the ultimate case. Well articulated history of the NBC legal term of art and most of the best case law showing concern about foreign influence, smack down of Ankeny, clarification or WKA, affidavit from Arpaio stating forgery of the only source document indicating a US birth, incorporation by reference of Corsi’s “Where's the Birth Certificate” including Danae’s redacted docs proving that Barry and Hawaii were lying about not being able to produce his BC for years, demand for discovery prior allowing Barry on the ballot, and request for oral argument that could focus media on all of this before the election.
Concur.
A judge gets this put on his desk, with affidavits from law enforcement insisting there are fraudulent documents. A judge with ethics would simply call all of them into his court, and demand to see the evidence of fraud, and let the president answer to the evidence. No spin. No bullshit. Very simple.
Link to Klayman’s filing. Well worth the read.
In a legal filing? No, that's a bad move. You need to state your grounds for appeal up-front, you don't get an unlimited number of "do-overs" if your previous grounds are denied. So you need to list all of them that you plan on bringing up, in the form of "we believe this should be overturned because of X, but even if X denied, we also believe Y is grounds for overturning, etc."
PING!
He signed the SR511 not once but twice (once in committee) that defined NBC as born in US of TWO US CITIZEN PARENTS. Someone needs to confront him on this.
Yet even if his purported "birth certificate" is to be believed, Appellee Obama was born to a mother who was a citizen of the United States, and a father who was a Kenyan citizen.
Unless Klayman believes that Barry was born sometime late 1963 or later (1961 isn't listed in the appeal other than by inference), then why would Klayman state that Barry was born to a father who was a "Kenyan" (in 1961)...when "Kenya" hadn't gained their independence yet in 1961.
He should have stipulated that Barry was born to British subject father.
The unfortunate truth is that Judges are more ignorant on this subject than are those of us who have researched it, and Judges will always find on the basis of their incorrect knowledge. There is no getting around this. Without educating the Judges about what is correct, invoking the Two Parent requirement is going to be an automatic loss.
I think focusing on the fact that no certified document has been submitted as proof is a good legal tactic, and I think that should be the lead argument in this effort.
felony forgery... that’s cut & dry
Same thing I said, but more succinct. :)
Meanwhile Barry is now claiming on his campaign website that his mom was “single” when he was born, thus in public negating any “governing” by the 1948 BNA which doesn't govern illegitimate children (or children of bigamous marriages). The campaign even tweeted out this stupid statement which at a minimum makes his mom and dad liars.
Perhaps he could see this NBC challenge coming in FL and was trying to preempt it...or baiting constitutionalists because he believes independents will feel sorry for him.
In any event, I of course hope he succeeds in exposing the fraud...but the odds are very long.
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