Posted on 09/10/2012 5:02:38 PM PDT by maggiesnotebook
Paleface Dizzy Lizzy Warren.....her drive Cherokee.....think that make her Cherokee....Good thing she not drive Hummer.....she be most popular teacher at Harvard.....
According to my family history, ancestors had their villages raided by indians; the women and children taken captive (enslaved) and a female relative’s scalp was tacked on the door of her house. The surviving men, who mostly were working away from their homes when the indian raid occured, were too few in number to handle freeing the captives and campaigned for a period of nearly two years for other white men to come to their aid to recover the kidnapped relatives and take revenge on the indians.
There is more written detail, but to make a long story short, it was a Native American victim story in the end and the scalped lady lived “without a hair on her head” and was rescued in an unmerciful and barbaric white male slaughter of poor, defenseless indians. Some of the gory detail are in writing.
That’s the written story from whitey’s side. There was not two sides to the story passed on. There were no indian survivors in the village to tell their story - men, women or children.
I heard she loves buffalo wings too!
Opechancanough would probably be one of Obama’s heroes if he had ever heard of him (which I doubt). He tried to wipe out the Jamestown settlement—but only killed the white settlers, not any blacks (unclear whether they were slaves or indentured servants at that point). The colony survived but soon after the Virginia Compnay lost control and it became a royal colony.
It was a violent time. There were “kill them all” types among the Powhatan, but also among the Jamestown settlers as well. A doctor tried to poison the indians, succeeded with quite a few, in retaliation for an attack. Then, there were those who tried to get along, on both sides.
Opechancanough not killing blacks isn’t necessarily true, there weren’t very many there at all at that point. The headrights system was providing more than enough Irish, Scotch and English indentured servants. Africans were comparatively expensive. They were all indentured servants at that time.
The African slave trade began in earnest for several reasons. Chattel slavery, slavery for life, did not exist as a legal construct until th 1670’s, they began running out of desirable land to give indentured servants once their term had been served leading to the collapse of the headrights system, and plantation owners began to perceive that Africans had a better survival rate due to better disease resistance in swampy, tropical areas like the rice and indigo plantations further south.
All this coincided between 1670 - 1680. Indentured servitude faded and chattel slavery arose from that point onward.
Of course the Spanish had been importing Africans to work as slaves in the New World from the very early 1500s, more than 100 years before the first Africans arrived at Jamestown. The Portuguese began capturing people on the coast of Africa and taking them either to Portugal or to their Atlantic islands to be slaves from around 1441. Of course they were just doing what the Muslims had been doing to non-Muslims (black, white, or whatever) for centuries, and what the Europeans had been doing to outsiders (whether pagans, Muslims, or the wrong kind of Christians) for centuries too.
This would be a great-great grandfather or possibly HIS father. The family (six sons) moved down from Western VA to WNC and ETN in the 1790s. Needless to say, records are spotty, so I'll probably have to run other branches of the family down and work my way back up.
My best guess is that we will find that the relationship is collateral to my ancestor - possibly a marriage with one of his five brothers. Oral history is always a little vague.
He must have been a lot of fun to watch though - from a safe distance, and concealed.
Oral history does tend to exaggerate over time.
One of my gg grandfathers actually was a captain of artillery, but one of the others was a private in an Alabama cavalry regiment. He used to refer to himself as "plain private Long", and observed that he met so many captains and majors and so forth after the War, that he concluded he was the only private who had survived.
The New York Times, with its usual level of accuracy, was in the habit of saying that George W. Bush is a descendant of President Franklin Pierce. President Pierce had three children, all of whom died in childhood (the last of them in a train wreck shortly before Pierce entered the White House), so he has no living descendants.
And you can trust the NYT to get it wrong. If they said the sun rose in the east, I would look outside and check.
If their entire faculty is drawn from only ten schools, then there cannot be a diversity of opinion. They need to do “affirmative action” for minority opinions.. Intellectual inbreeding is like biological inbreeding - you wind up with a lot of mentally defective offspring.
***but one of the others was a private in an Alabama cavalry regiment.****
Same here. My great-great grandfather was a private in the Alabama cavalry.
4th Alabama Cavalry battalion. (Love’s Battalion).
Consolidated with Phillip’s Leigon, Wade Hampton’s Cavalry Battalion(GA). Then merged into the Jeff Davis Missisippi Cavalry Legion.
Fought at The Wilderness, Spotsylvania Court House, North Anna, 2nd Cold Harbor Trevilian Station and the Petersburg seige.
Somewhere in those battles he was wounded and taken prisoner.
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One question the media will never ask:
Ms. Warren, have any of your adult children used the Native American designation for college admission, scholarships, or job applications, and are you willing to provide copies of those documents for confirmation?
I can only speak with any level of familiarity to the English colonies in North America. I understand that human bondage in its many forms was not invented on this continent, and the practice did not end in the world with the end of our so-called civil war. There are slaves today, held by the same group that has played such a large role in the practice going back a thousand years.
It is a direct violation of the 14th Amendment!
ladyjane, very interesting. Thanks!
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