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$83,046 For A 3 Hour Hospital Visit - Why Are Hospital Bills So Outrageous?
TEC ^ | 09/08/2012 | Michael Snyder

Posted on 09/08/2012 11:04:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: mom4melody

My wife had open heart surgery in May,2 weeks in the cardiac ICU after surgery.You don’t want to know what the total bill was.


41 posted on 09/08/2012 12:27:00 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Ann Archy

Yes...definitely part of the problem. The solution that hospitals use is called “cost shifting,” and that is one reason for the high costs to insurers and the public. Otherwise, hospitals would have to close their doors.


42 posted on 09/08/2012 12:33:37 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Ann Archy

It used to be illegals were the reason but now, illegals and insurance companies never want to pay, so the billing is adjusted accordingly to force the uninsured citizen using hospital services to pay the bulk of expenses.


43 posted on 09/08/2012 12:33:45 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: SeekAndFind
Outlaw all health care insurance except catastrophic insurance with a $5000 deductible.

Problem solved.

44 posted on 09/08/2012 12:35:53 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: SeekAndFind
How much does a normal baby delivery cost today?

Seems like I've read that its in the $10,000 range these days.

Its no wonder Americans aren't having babies. In 64 it was a few weeks pay for my dad who was a garbage man at the time.
45 posted on 09/08/2012 12:37:57 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Insurance is a part of the problem. The rates they pay are significantly less than the list price but that alone will not solve the problem.

The govt regulations the healthcare industry has to comply with is truly amazing.


46 posted on 09/08/2012 12:38:56 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Health insurance didn’t come into widespread use till the 60s and 70s.


47 posted on 09/08/2012 12:40:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: driftdiver
The main problem is that people don't demand a verifiable itemized bill for health care expenses. They don't bother because if they have insurance they don't have to mess with it.

If they had to pay the first $5000, they would demand itemized bills that weren't just based on the fraudulent DRGs the government uses, which were never intended to be used for billing purposes.

48 posted on 09/08/2012 12:45:09 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: cripplecreek
Health insurance didn’t come into widespread use till the 60s and 70s.

Which explains why health care costs were only 5% of GDP in the 50s, but are almost 20% now.

49 posted on 09/08/2012 12:46:25 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Insurance paid the majority of the bill (I had open heart surgery for removal of a Myxoma tumor).

Some of the bill was written off by the Clinic because one of their doctors screwed up a routine heart cath so bad I required 3 additional surgeries to repair the damage, two months on a wound vac, and a visit from a home health nurse every other day for the duration of the wound vac.

And I’m still being seen by their vascular dept for that mess.


50 posted on 09/08/2012 12:50:18 PM PDT by mom4melody
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To: SeekAndFind

Why? Because there is no effective market in health care, and there is inelastic demand for a great deal of health care which is provided by state-granted monopolies and oligopolies with unregulated prices. The best treatment for virtually every ailment, whether a drug or a medical device or sometimes even a surgical procedure if it requires specialized equipment, is sold under a grant of monopoly called a patent. All medical services are provided only by licensed physicians or licensed nurse-practioners — a state-created oligopoly which functions more like a monopoly because the notion of “reasonable and customary charges” masks price collusion.

The fact that there are socially desirable reasons for the monopolies and oligopolies (encouraging innovation and quality control) does not change the distortion they create in pricing. In other cases where there is a socially useful reason for granting a monopoly (not needing to make multiple easements for multiple companies to deliver water, electricity...) the state-granted monopoly, called a utility, has its rates regulated in the public interest.


51 posted on 09/08/2012 12:54:57 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: driftdiver
"Torte reform
Govt regulations
torte reform
insurance companies
torte reform"

What have you got against cakes?

52 posted on 09/08/2012 12:56:46 PM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: umgud

My brother had an emergency appendectomy four weeks ago. He walked into the emergency room at 11:00 am, was diagnosed, had surgery, and released by 6:00 pm. Total bill — $22,500.

One of the huge cost drivers in health care is the number of people involved in health care who are paid by the system but not actually providing health care services directly to a patient. In a manufacturing environment, companies are constantly looking for ways to minimize direct costs and eliminate “indirect” costs. In the current US system we are attacking direct costs by reducing doctor pay while dramatically increasing the number of bureaucrats and administrators who add no value to the patient.

Think about Michelle Obama. She earned $317,000 per year as a Vice President of Community and External Affairs for a Chicago hospital. What value did she provide for the average patient seeking medical care at the hospital?


53 posted on 09/08/2012 1:00:41 PM PDT by Soul of the South
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To: SeekAndFind

DannyTN's Healthcare Prescription

To fix healthcare start with the following:
54 posted on 09/08/2012 1:02:04 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Melas

On top of Loser Pays, I would modify that with a contingency form of loser pays.

That ism the attorney is on a contingency whether your case wins or loses. So he gets 40% contingency if you both win, and is on the hook for 40% contingency of the ‘loser pays’ if you both lose.

Fair, after all, is fair.


55 posted on 09/08/2012 1:03:45 PM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The feds released 700 pages of clarification on one of their regs a couple weeks ago. In the next two months they will release a “mega-reg” which is expected to be thousands of pages.

This on top of everything else.

Hospitals have high fees because they have to make up for the regulations, lawsuits, and non-payers. Insurance companies add in a tremendous amount of overhead but they are not the only problem.

Yes people who don’t see their bill do tend to over use services, but that doesn’t impact hospital fees. The hospitals are required to use those DRGs.


56 posted on 09/08/2012 1:18:18 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: cripplecreek
The entire cost of my birth in 1964 (Doctor, hospital room, delivery, medicines etc) was around $85.

Dying'll cost you way more. ;^)

57 posted on 09/08/2012 1:21:41 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: SeekAndFind

If you are a private payer, negotiate.

Its not that the hospitals charge the government and insurers a lower rate, that is just what they get paid. Insurers mimic the government on payment rates.

Thus, the government has created a game, wherein you must inflate the bill to come close to getting paid. And guess what, it is illegal to charge different rates than what the charge is for Medicare.

So, if you are a private payer, arrange to have it discounted down, with a nod and a wink before hand, or go to a non-Medicare provider and negotiate a price beforehand.


58 posted on 09/08/2012 1:24:20 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“This is expensive, but most is the hospital markup.”

you do understand that the hospital markups on things is to pay for:

first and foremost: liability insurance

the pharmacist/techs who dispense and deliver the drugs to the area you are located in

the nurses who administer the drugs

the technicians who draw your blood and run the machines to do the tests

the x-ray/ct scan/ mri techs who perform the procedures

the housekeepers who clean your room

the maintenance men who keep everything mechanical/electrical working safely

the kitchen workers who prepare and serve your meals

the electricity, gas and water used

i know there are probably a thousand more things i haven’t listed that are necessary for things to function while you are in hospital/er that you are not billed for

i know you probably think that is what your daily room rate is for, but that rate barely covers the nurses’ salary, esp in icu/er where the nurse patient ratio is low


59 posted on 09/08/2012 1:35:32 PM PDT by SendShaqtoIraq
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“This is expensive, but most is the hospital markup.”

you do understand that the hospital markups on things is to pay for:

first and foremost: liability insurance

the pharmacist/techs who dispense and deliver the drugs to the area you are located in

the nurses who administer the drugs

the technicians who draw your blood and run the machines to do the tests

the x-ray/ct scan/ mri techs who perform the procedures

the housekeepers who clean your room

the maintenance men who keep everything mechanical/electrical working safely

the kitchen workers who prepare and serve your meals

the electricity, gas and water used

i know there are probably a thousand more things i haven’t listed that are necessary for things to function while you are in hospital/er that you are not billed for

i know you probably think that is what your daily room rate is for, but that rate barely covers the nurses’ salary, esp in icu/er where the nurse patient ratio is low


60 posted on 09/08/2012 1:40:41 PM PDT by SendShaqtoIraq
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