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Who Does The Government Intend To Shoot?
Daily Caller ^ | 9:40 AM 08/17/2012 | Major General Jerry Curry, USA (Ret.)

Posted on 08/18/2012 8:48:02 PM PDT by null and void

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To: marsh2
This is on top of the massive 450 million .40 S&W hollow point rounds the DHS has already requisitioned. (All above can be verifed on government websites regarding contract solicitations).

Make that the KNOWN contracts. I'm even more worried about the unknown, behind the scenes, under the table, back door transactions. Then there's the contracts for bullet proof check point booths and aremored vehicles.

The federal fiscal year ends September 30 so they're at the end of their budgets so it's either spend the money or lose it. Okey, dokey but isn't is interesting that all these little non-military agencies, save a handful of armed security employees, have all channeled their monies to ammo rather than a workshop in a 5 star resort or new office furniture or a few cartons of pencils.

101 posted on 08/19/2012 6:42:07 AM PDT by bgill
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To: marsh2

I wonder if it is possible that the fedgov is placing these orders simply to lock up the supply chain, preventing citizens who are buying ever more guns from getting any ammo.


102 posted on 08/19/2012 6:42:13 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: null and void
Although I may question why departments such as IRS have armed officers in the first place, this amount of ammunition really shouldn't be of a shock to anyone. for instance, 174000 rounds for the amount of officers in the SSA (I believe they reported around 295+ officers) comes out to about 600 rounds/officer. I would consider this an appropriate amount of ammunition to practice and qualify annually.

The question does still remain, however... why does the SSA require armed officers? I'll say there could very well be a legitimate purpose... building security? I don't know, but it would be interesting to hear the breakdown. I don't see any conspiracy here though, I'd need a lot more than just ammo purchases to be able to consider something like that.

103 posted on 08/19/2012 6:43:06 AM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: Strategerist
I can write off one idiot in one agency buying premium grade ammo for practice, but not multiple agencies all at the same time.

You also have a problem in their contradicting themselves.

They claim they are buying ammo in bulk to save money, which is well and good, but then they turn around and buy premium grade ammo allegedly for practice.

Their story doesn't hold up.

They would all have to turn into idiots at the same time for the story to be true.

104 posted on 08/19/2012 6:48:31 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Psalm 144

Have they not had their dry run on some Michigan-based militia arrests?

Seems to me, they arrested several people in 2010/2011 on terrorism charges, held them for a period of time sufficient to deprive them of their livelihoods and property, before they were eventually found innocent of any terrorist related activities.

The government should have to compensate people falsely held on trumped up charges.


105 posted on 08/19/2012 6:50:22 AM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: null and void

Every one who has ever posted here other than Murry mom. I haven’t seen her in a long time, did she end up zotted?


106 posted on 08/19/2012 6:53:49 AM PDT by W. W. SMITH ((Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.)
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To: null and void

Maybe its to had out to civilians when the mothership arrives.

How about replaying ammo manufacturers for campaign contributions?


107 posted on 08/19/2012 6:54:31 AM PDT by Diggity
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To: null and void

Isnt there somewhere to compare this with previous years?


108 posted on 08/19/2012 6:58:02 AM PDT by Walmartian (An update is available for this tagline. Click here to download.)
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To: arderkrag

Well why hollow point and why those agencies and why the massive amounts..What the answer?


109 posted on 08/19/2012 7:04:01 AM PDT by sonic109 (The 1st Revolution was about taxes ..the 2nd one will be also)
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To: roughman

I think you’re on the right track.


110 posted on 08/19/2012 7:11:26 AM PDT by sonic109 (The 1st Revolution was about taxes ..the 2nd one will be also)
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To: roughman

I think you’re on the right track.


111 posted on 08/19/2012 7:11:39 AM PDT by sonic109 (The 1st Revolution was about taxes ..the 2nd one will be also)
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To: null and void

NOW ObamaCare makes sense...don’ t want to have to clutter up the trauma centers with evidence.....


112 posted on 08/19/2012 7:15:02 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: USNBandit

Good post


113 posted on 08/19/2012 7:15:40 AM PDT by Osage Orange ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow, and when to reap, we should soon want bread.")
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To: Kozak
Violates the ORIGINAL Geneva Convenction.

Hague Convention, actually. 1899.

114 posted on 08/19/2012 7:18:01 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ArmyTeach
"Typically this kind of ammunition is typically not used for target practice"

Although this may be true for the average Joe like you or I, these agencies choose this ammunition for purpose specific applications and they will do it based on expert recommendations, not just off the cuff. A 180gr JHP in .45acp handles much differently than a 230gr round nose of the same caliber. HP ammunition isn't necessarily chosen for it's habit of body-cavity fragmentation, it's more likely chosen because of it's general tendency to fragment on impact and not over-penetrate things like walls, car doors, etc. Not that it's the complete answer to the problem, but in all likelihood, this is a public safety measure against unintended background targets.

If an officer is going to need practice in order to achieve annual qualification, he needs to be practicing with ammunition that behaves the same way every time... this practice eliminates known variables and increases repeatable performance.

I'm not at all a government sympathizer, but most of this adds up to me. I simply don't have enough information to deduce whether the existence or amount of officers is justifiable, but I don't believe they are coming to get me or planning to in the future. We all know a .357sig is no match for what most of us have in our closets at home.

115 posted on 08/19/2012 7:18:17 AM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: SpaceBar

They intend to shoot us. It’s really that simple.

Well maybe not all that simple. Are the wanna-be benevolent leaders, progressives, intent on a back door gun control plan? Procure ten to twenty years supply of ammo for law enforcement and military then put the ammo manufacturers out of business. Then when “we the people” run out is when they start shooting us.


116 posted on 08/19/2012 7:19:35 AM PDT by W. W. SMITH ((Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.)
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To: Travis McGee
TAXPAYERS!!!
117 posted on 08/19/2012 7:19:54 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: roughman
Simple supply and demand. Buy up massive lots of ammo and ammo becomes expensive and in shorter supply. They are hoping we will not be able to afford ammo or that it will be in shorter supply.

Supply and demand may be it but there's also capitalism. When the demand grows, new companies will step in to meet it. Yes, there's a lag time. Remember, not long ago when the government had such a large order of survival meals that the average joe's order was put on back order. But combine these orders with the other beefed up security and disaster contracts and it's enough to make you think something is up.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.

118 posted on 08/19/2012 7:22:15 AM PDT by bgill
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To: sonic109; Strategerist

See posts 17 and 32, Strategerist more than adequately explains the reality of the situation.


119 posted on 08/19/2012 7:34:04 AM PDT by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, Forever in Rebellion.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

There is an opportunity here. Start a company manufacturing guns. Draw Soros attention and get a good price for the company. Use that money to start another one. Run George out of money.


120 posted on 08/19/2012 7:35:52 AM PDT by W. W. SMITH ((Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.)
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