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Biggest current obstacles to medical marijuana are President Obama & progressives on SCOTUS
wordpress ^ | August 5, 2012 | Dan from Squirrel Hill

Posted on 08/06/2012 12:20:12 PM PDT by grundle

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1 posted on 08/06/2012 12:20:23 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

I agree. This is more about over-reach by the federal gov’t and the Supreme Court’s many bad decisions that have expanded Gov’t power. When even a suppossed “Conservative” Supreme Court led by a “Conservative” Chief Judge won’t strike down a clearly un-constitutional piece of legislation like Obamacare we are in trouble. If Republicans regain the Senate and keep the House then reigning in Federal Power and limiting control should be at the top of the “To-Do” list........


2 posted on 08/06/2012 12:35:09 PM PDT by jakerobins
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There is no such thing as “medical” pot. If this is reaaaaly medical then any perscription should have an instantaneous medical suspension of all vehicle licenses. There is no instant roadside test for pot use.


3 posted on 08/06/2012 12:42:10 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory
If this is reaaaaly medical then any perscription should have an instantaneous medical suspension of all vehicle licenses.

That's an excellent point. I agree with you.

4 posted on 08/06/2012 1:21:38 PM PDT by grundle
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To: longtermmemmory
There is no such thing as “medical” pot.

Ignorant nonsense - cannabis has a number of scientifically established medical uses, such as for pain relief, control of nausea and vomiting, and appetite stimulation.

5 posted on 08/06/2012 2:08:56 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: longtermmemmory

Ludicrous - Is there ANY prescription for which this is done?


6 posted on 08/06/2012 2:34:17 PM PDT by KEVLAR (Liberty or Death)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

For every 100 people who have prescriptions for Medical Weed, .05% may receive some form of benefit. The rest are just abusing the system.


7 posted on 08/06/2012 2:38:18 PM PDT by spawn44 (moo)
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To: KEVLAR

yes, also and look at people who suffer from seizures.

nice try.


8 posted on 08/06/2012 2:41:30 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: spawn44
There is no such thing as “medical” pot.

Ignorant nonsense - cannabis has a number of scientifically established medical uses, such as for pain relief, control of nausea and vomiting, and appetite stimulation.

For every 100 people who have prescriptions for Medical Weed, .05% may receive some form of benefit. The rest are just abusing the system.

Since .05% of 100 people is .05 people, I think you're pulling numbers out of your nether orifice. And even if your numbers were right, they still wouldn't prove your claim that 'there is no such thing as “medical” pot.'

People abuse the prescription system for opiate painkillers, too - is that a reason to ban those medicines?

9 posted on 08/06/2012 2:43:30 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: longtermmemmory; KEVLAR
Is there ANY prescription for which this is done?

yes,

Which one(s)?

also and look at people who suffer from seizures.

Taking medicine before driving is voluntary, having a seizure is not. Nice try.

10 posted on 08/06/2012 2:46:09 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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Since you are a libertatrian and obviously one who is at the extreme end of the spectrum.... I don’t really care what you think. You have no personal experience ( by your own admission) of the devastation that medical marijuana causes in the communities that it is available. Go peddle your drugs for everyone to someone else.


11 posted on 08/06/2012 2:49:46 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

and IF you really need cannaboids then you would get a suppositroy of Marinol. Nice try though because smoking dope is so safe


12 posted on 08/06/2012 2:51:13 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

so then take the actual pill with is available at the pharmacy. If it is medical that is.

If it is REALLY medical where are the doctor perscriptions for the in existence pills? There are very few if any because this is only about a pretext to excuse recreational use that ends up killing people. (ie potheads driving)


13 posted on 08/06/2012 2:51:48 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

in most states dr. would have the affirmative duty to report the inability to drive.


14 posted on 08/06/2012 2:54:50 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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Drinking alcoholic beverages is legal. There is no identification on anyone's driver license that says: "I drink alcoholic beverages." And, since alcohol IS legal, then it is also not legal to automatically suspend, on "medical grounds", all the drivers who are admitted consumers of alcoholic beverages. There is no reason for it to be any different for anyone who is using medical marijuana.

In most states now, DWI no longer means just driving while too drunk, it means driving while under the influence, of alcohol or some drug. No new laws are needed in most states to charge someone for driving while “high”.

And, yes, it's true, just like drunks we usually do not know someone was DWI - the vast majority of the time - unless they have an accident or are noticeably driving erratically.

If a cop thinks a driver is driving erratically but, after questioning, suspects the driver is not drunk but is high, they can be held on suspicion of driving while “under the influence” for a period of time in which an immediate blood test and one 4 to six hours later can confirm, or not, the presence of THC in the blood. The first test would usually confirm it if they had last smoked a joint six hours earlier, otherwise the second test would confirm it if they had just smoked a joint right before they were stopped.

Using medical marijjuana is no excuse for "driving while under the influence" any more than is the mere legality of alcoholic beverages. Resonsible use is what the law expects, not abstinence.

If a driver is NOT driving erratically in any fashion, then a question of their alcohol consumption or if they had a joint recently does not come up - because they are not driving erratically - period.

If one thinks that every road should have daily DWI checkpoints just because medical marijuana is in practice, then that same logic says they should be already calling for daily DWI chekpoints on every road to catch all the alcohol consumers who mights have had one two many, though their driving manner does not show it. Oh that would be too Gestapo like? RIGHT!!! Yes, it would, as it would for no reason than to summarily “find every pot head on the road”.

Like "Mr Conservative" - William F. Buckley, argued years ago, and much more eloqunetly than I could, decriminalize of pot would be better for the more positives it would represent than any potential negatives that might be feared from it.

The vast majority of people who drink alcoholic beverages do not in their lifetime incur a DWI violation or a DWI induced accident. It is no different in the population of the many different people that smoke a joint. Just as their are alcoholics among those who drink alcoholic beverages, there are pot heads amont those who smoke point, and they too represent a minority of everyone who has marijuana on occasion.

The fears of many people are not represented by the facts.

We created the Mafia with prohibition and we have created the drug cartles with the war on drugs. It's a simple and dumb act of not learning from history.

15 posted on 08/06/2012 5:31:35 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: longtermmemmory
so then take the actual pill with is available at the pharmacy.

Pills are slow-onset, so it's difficult to adjust the dose to the minimum required at the time (aka titration); they're hard for nausea patients to keep down; and Marinol contains only one of marijuana's active ingredients.

If it is REALLY medical where are the doctor perscriptions for the in existence pills? There are very few if any

Do you have evidence for your claim?

16 posted on 08/07/2012 8:51:02 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: longtermmemmory
Is there ANY prescription for which this is done?

yes,

Which one(s)?

Well?

also and look at people who suffer from seizures.

Taking medicine before driving is voluntary, having a seizure is not. Nice try.

in most states dr. would have the affirmative duty to report the inability to drive.

Beside the point - one can choose to not take medication prior to driving, whereas one can't choose to not have a seizure while driving, so the situations are not comparable.

17 posted on 08/07/2012 8:54:07 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Wuli; longtermmemmory
Drinking alcoholic beverages is legal. There is no identification on anyone's driver license that says: "I drink alcoholic beverages." And, since alcohol IS legal, then it is also not legal to automatically suspend, on "medical grounds", all the drivers who are admitted consumers of alcoholic beverages. There is no reason for it to be any different for anyone who is using medical marijuana.

Good point. Also, I've been prescribed medicines - including an anti-inflammatory - whose labels warn 'do not drive after taking' but I haven't had my license suspended.

18 posted on 08/07/2012 8:59:35 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Nifster
smoking dope is so safe

Using a vaporizer to consume medical marijuana would be much safer. But many medicines are 'unsafe' due to side effects while still being safer than not taking them - that should be up to doctors and patients to decide.

19 posted on 08/07/2012 9:03:48 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
IF one truly has a medical need then Marinol has and continues to be the best medicine. Pot ‘dispensaries’ are populated by aging hippies and youngsters who are dopers
20 posted on 08/07/2012 10:10:57 AM PDT by Nifster
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