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To: Free Vulcan

These are not logistical dummies.

Seize control of gasoline production and distribution.
Seize control of major bridges.
Seize control of power distribution.
Seize control of transportation.
Seize control of communications.
Seize control of food production, storage and distribution.
Seize control of waterways, distribution and treatment of water.
Seize control of medical facilities.
Seize control of major urban areas by containment and establishment of overlooks at all interchanges and major intersections.

It will not be only Marines. They will have support from other branches and from LEO. Every Federal agency has armed SWAT teams. Many States have similar armed groups in select agencies.

To these ends, they already have the ability to shut down or curtail and control all of our national transportation infrastructure. Drones provide the intelligence they need. The drones can be armed and can communicate with ground forces. They can shut down much of the internet and cell service and with it, much of our communication ability and commerce. The rest follows from there.

They will not care if the urban areas explode, as long as they are contained. Some of the inner suburbs will be included in any cordon. They can allow the residents to eliminate each other and go in later to clean things up.

They can bring in those regional LEO teams to mop up the exurban and rural areas, which would be paralyzed anyway with no diesel, censored communications, limited power and limited water. Military takes over food production, storage and distribution and we are effectively controlled. There are already detailed plans in place in the rural areas designed to effect quarantines. There are already checkpoints all over the rural areas to control transport of firewood between counties and, in some instances, between townships. TSA VIPR teams would assist.

My fear is that it would take them less than a week. Everything is already centralized to the point where a few forces can have a large national effect. Sure, there could well be organized resistance. We already know that many such groups and individuals have been identified. Since they will also be the ones in motion, eradicating them will only take some more time. Individuals not yet identified will self-identify just by not being compliant.

After 9/11, they shut down air transport. If there is more than one incident on a bridge, they will shut down all bridges. If there are incidents on the highways, they will shut those down. This is the SOP and they will keep applying it until they do have total control.

We used to say that an armed America precluded a fascist takeover. We still have our guns and we also have a fascist takeover. I have few illusions about either our military commanders or most LEO. They can lose individuals and they still have force multipliers, many of which, like drones, have been disseminated to LEO.

Again, these forces are far from ignorant. If they are making the training public, they are confident they can complete the mission.


13 posted on 07/23/2012 8:43:12 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: reformedliberal

I think you seriously overestimate our govt’s ability to do such a thing. Yes they have plans, but plans and real world logistics are two different things. We’ve had localized disasters like Katrina and the response has been pathetic.

We have very very few combat forces like the Marines and the 10th to do serious warfare. Federal forces are SWAT trained and not ready for an organized counteroffensive not in a contained killzone. What you envision would require forces to be spread out so thin that the armed population would overwhelm them. Not to mention the supply logistics would be a nightmare. Drones, even armed ones have limitations and real actual air support would be kept to very high priority situations.

There are also the governors. If the states don’t play ball, it’s over. Citizen defense groups will be counterorganized and implemented. A couple of dozen federale rambo wannabes traveling down a road won’t have a prayer.

Not to mention that shutting down the country means that the govt has no revenue. They can print all the money they want, it doesn’t matter if no one will take it or there’s nothing to buy with it. Sure you can seize assets but troops are only going to stay so long without pay, particularly if their families are starving.

The only truly dangerous situation would be a bank run. That could shut it all down near instantly. If that happens people will starve, then maybe after that the govt would have more ability to control.


14 posted on 07/23/2012 9:38:30 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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To: reformedliberal

Lets see now. They can’t subjegate a bunch of illiterate 7th century barbarians with IQ of a brick but they are going to lock down 100 million well educated Americans armed with sophisticated weapons and the know how to create IED’s and other nasty explosive surprises that make the Taliban look like amateurs. I don’t think so.


15 posted on 07/23/2012 9:48:42 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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