Posted on 07/21/2012 7:39:13 AM PDT by frithguild
I thought I would post a few thoughts. This image is now running around out there, without attributing the work done here at RFNJ:
I have not made any conclusions here [at RFNJ] that James E. Holmes belonged to any particular occupy group. It seems that only here at RFNJ can you see the truthful source of this image. For any OWS participants who come here, I will only say that I find admitting truth to be a liberating experience.
I draw an inference from the YouTube upload of this carefully edited video that it was NOT produced by the song artist James W. Holmes. iTunes shows this artist published other works that enjoy greater popularity. Yet, the creator of HolmesCollection at YouTube uploaded only one production, with "Keep Love Alive," as the sound track, and "hate" sounding at the appearance of an image appearing to be James E. Holmes.
I dare also say that a person more often than not knows of a namesake that enjoys great popularity. Here, it seems that James E. Holmes may have taken pleasure with hiding in plain sight.
Today my prayers are with the victims.
This guy mass murders and slaughters a theater full of innocent people, and ya don't think they've examined every bit of his background and checked for any criminal record since birth?
You can't possibly be this ignorant.
Did Holmes use his real name when Aurora first brought him in?
They went straight to his apartment...They found his car immediately, ID'd his parents etc....If fact, from what I understand, he told them all this upfront.
What do ya think inspector?
You haven't spent much time dealing with law enforcement have you?
Nope, not me, I got a clean record too.
Who him? Ben Affleck's little brother?
Looks like NYPD to me.
Lets examine this a bit closer, shall we.
They were at his parents home within hours after the event. The media showed up en mass shortly there after.
How did they possibly know who his parents were, 1100 miles away?
At this point, they know exactly who he is, his SSN, DOB, parents names, schools he attended, etc... This guy was only 24 years old...Not long out of high school.
The government, the FBI and cops have access to every damn criminal data base at their finger tips and he's obviously cooperating regarding who he is. This is not to mention the media, with armies of people researching every aspect of Holmes background..
But you suddenly have a pic of some guy in New York being arrested, suggesting it's Holmes, when it's well known and been reported dozens of times, he has no criminal record.
In fact, you now are clearly suggesting this guy belongs to some violent faction of OWS group, call the "Black Bloc".
Do ya think the FBI, law enforcement and the army of media researchers wouldn't know this guy was a member of some violent radical group?
How about his movements? He was only 24, not long out of high school.
Ya think there is no paper trail of his movements? School attendance records? Are you suggesting his parents and law enforcement didn't know he belonged to a violent radical group? They had no idea he traveled to NY? No paper trail, no nothing, yet they already know exactly where he purchased his weapons, know what grammer school he attended, who his friends are etc, etc.
How's all this work?
How can he possibly be a member of some violent radial group, yet no one knows about it?
There is no evidence, no connections, no nothing. No arrest record...How is that possible?
But suddenly a pic on the Internet surfaces of someone being arrested thousands of mile away from CO, and here your are trying to convince all this is Holmes, on a secret mission in NY, while being involved with some violent radial subversive group.
But no evidence of this?
Leemme ask you Detective, can you show me one bit of evidence, or proof this guy beloved to a violent faction of WSO group, besides some obscure pic found on the internet?
Can I see your supporting documents, or any evidence you might have?
How did Aurora 9 News get the name Mohammed Alam? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2908624/posts
from what I understand, he told them all this upfront
Source? ya don't think they've examined every bit of his background and checked for any criminal record since birth?
And whoever they are (You haven't responded to my question asking who told you there is no arrest record), you believe they are telling you everything they know?
Bewaahahahaha...I love it!
So now you're suggesting he's an Iranian terrorist?
What a honking hoot!
Honk honk!!
I did not say that at all and you know it. If you want to believe Holmes always correctly identified himself to the authorities, who have told you all they know about his background and their information is complete and 100% correct, I can’t help you.
You haven't answered any of mine.
But here, just for you:
FBI says shooting suspect has ‘no significant criminal past. The FBI confirmed has no "significant criminal history". The only thing on his record is a "minor" driving penalty.
There are multiple sources regarding this. Maybe the FBI is lying eh?
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/cwaukfeysnau/rss2/
Now answer my question slick,
Can you show me one bit of evidence, or proof this guy beloved to a violent faction of WSO group, besides some obscure pic found on the internet? Can I see your supporting documents, or any evidence you might have?
His appearance is somehow unsettling and unusual, so maybe people automatically assumed “other” and filled in the blank? I've wondered if he wasn't like that little creep from Marin County, John Walker Lindh, who actually had a Muslim name, myself. There hasn't been any attempt to rectify the error regarding the Muslim name that I'm aware.
Which is meaningless - NYC - the location where the person in the pic was zipped and carried - does not report misdemeanors.
Again, if you wish to believe what the press tells you about what the the FBI says, go ahead. I just do not see your best shot at this evidence as enough to nullify it.
As far as other evidence - you have what I have, which we both know you already know. I'm glad you have impressed yourself with that brilliant question.
Good luck to you.
Well, I heard he was a Tea Party member, a terrorist, a Muslim, and a member of a violent WSO Black Bloc group, etc, etc.
India? Indian? Muslim, Iranian?
Looks like a typical Hollywood type to me.
We can speculate about what he looks like forever.
Look, if this guy had any connections to violent groups or Muslim terrorist, there would be substantial evidence by now.
That is unless the FBI, law enforcement an army of media/individuals researching his background, and all his friends, family and acquaintances are all lying or covering up.
I don't think this is likely. How about you?
I don’t think I’ll count on getting any kind of real info from any media sources mainstream or otherwise.
Sadly everyone has an agenda even if the agenda is just to sell more advertising.
The left will find a way to connect this guy to the right. The right will find a away to connect him to the left.
Probably he has a history of mental issues and had no more politics than destructive mental instability.
This guy is a rarity because he survived his rampage so his story on his motives can and probably will change over time.
I saw the same wild speculation with Joe Stack. The left insisted he was a teabagger and the right insisted he was communist. He was really just a seriously disturbed individual who snapped.
Can you show me one bit of evidence, or proof this guy beloved to a violent faction of WSO group, besides some obscure pic found on the internet? Can I see your supporting documents, or any evidence you might have?
Anything!
Lets see it.
Can you show me one bit of evidence, or proof this guy belonged to a violent faction of WSO group, besides some obscure pic found on the internet? Can I see your supporting documents, or any evidence you might have?
Anything!
Lets see it.
So ya think the FBI, law enforcement, an army of media/individuals researching his background, and all his friends, family and acquaintances are all lying or covering up?
Doesn't take much digging into the OWS cesspool to find hatred of Jews and Israel. There's a lot of overlap with Truthers and we know who many of them think are responsible for 911. That being said, I have no opinion about that video yet.
I don’t know what’s the truth here, and haven’t known what to believe about these kinds of attacks for years. It’s impossible to winnow out the truth early on with authorities leaping to claim no terrorist involvement well before they could possibly have ascertained this as fact. It’s impossible to know with the media fingering the tea party or conservatives or lone wolf white males even when what little is actually known contradicts their reports. We’ve seen this with the Giffords shooting, the guy who crashed his plane into an IRS building, the Malvo shootings in DC, the abortion clinic shooting and quite a few other instances.
The rational response to such rampant and apparently deliberately skewed politicization of the news cycle is to treat it all as suspect. This does give rise to theorizing about conspiracies, so I understand where you’re coming from. What I don’t understand is refusing to question questionable information for fear of sounding conspiratorial.
Which is more paranoid, lol?
Many of the Occupuke setups had pro-Muslim/Palestinian and/or “Hate Israel” signs and tables and whatnot.
Questioning something is fine. It's what I do. However, when people suggests and imply he's this or that, assigning him to this or that group, with absolutely no evidence whatsoever, goes beyond the realm of legitimate questioning.
Unless the FBI, law enforcement, an army of media/individuals researching his background, and all his friends, family and acquaintances are all lying or covering up.
I think this would be extremely unlikely.
Fact is, every time an event such as this occurs, people immediately attempt to make it political, twisting into knots, trying to assign the perpetrator to every group they happen to dislike. Both political sides do it.
It's like a giant rumor machine.
Personally, I have no stake in what his motivation or associations were; just would like to know the truth. But if you think that "the FBI, law enforcement, an army of media/individuals researching his background, and all his friends, family and acquaintances" can't possibly all lie or cover-up, what the hell do think they've all done with the freak in the White House???
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