I do appreciate Young Earth Creationism when one views Genesis 1 and 2 describing primarily the physical creation.
However, your point that God would not have created evil is neither here-nor-there with me:
Indeed, it seems to me that a person cannot truly appreciate light if he had never seen darkness, good if he had never seen evil, courage/fear, joy/sorrow and so on. And I truly believe our time here on earth is like a base camp for eternity that we learn more and better through these contrasts.
I am both a Young Earth Creationist and also an Old Earth Creationist. And I certainly do not expect anyone else to agree with me but, for the record, here is what I see and why:
At our present space/time coordinates, the universe is observed to be about 15 billion years old. However, when we consider the inflationary model and general relativity (warping of space/time) - we can also see that the universe is about a week old (equivalent earth time) at the inception space/time coordinates (Schroeder et al.)
For more: Time Warps an Everyday Occurrence and Equivalence Principle
More specifically, Genesis chapters 1 to 3 are from the inception perspective. The Creator is the only observer of Creation ex nihilo and He speaks to both the physical and the spiritual as the Creation, the earthly and the heavenly. To presuppose an earthly space/time perspective would result in needless contradiction such as plants on Day 3 before the sun and solar system on Day 4 (emphasis mine:)
These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and [there was] not a man to till the ground. Genesis 2:4-5
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. - Hebrews 11:3
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. Revelation 2:7
At the top of Genesis 4, after Adam is banished to mortality, the perspective changes to Adamic man, to our space/time coordinates. Adam's clock starts ticking.
The first indication of the change in observer perspective is in the curse itself (emphasis mine)
And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. Genesis 5:5
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28
The Epistle of Barnabas dates back to the first few centuries after Christs resurrection. It is quoted by Clement of Alexandria and also mentioned by Origen. It was part of the Codex Sinaiticus but is not part of the Catholic canon today. Nevertheless, it reveals the discernment of these early Christians.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection. Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Revelation 20:4-6
But I say unto you, That in this place is [one] greater than the temple. But if ye had known what [this] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. Matt 12:5-8
Then again, I do not expect anyone else to agree with me. LOLOL!
Gods Name is I AM.
AG: I perceive Adam was created in the spiritual realm before he was banished to mortality, the physical realm, and his mortal calendar/clock began
Spirited: Church Fathers such as Augustine and later Doctors such as Aquinas would disagree with your position. Adam was not a pure spirit for from the beginning he had a material body within which was fully embedded a spirit/soul.
His knowledge was of two kinds. First, by means of abstraction from his sense perceptions, and second, from the powers and faculties of his spirit-soul which in its’ prefall condition reached out beyond the body. (St Thomas)
In “Occult Phenomena,” Alois Wiesinger, O.C.S.O. describes Adams prefall spirit-soul gifts in terms of “certain angelic powers (that allowed for participation) in the nature of pure spirits.” (p. 79)
From this the holy Fathers deduced that Adam, “like the mystics, intuitively beheld God, the creation of the world, and the purpose thereof, the principles of law and morals and all that was necessary for him as head and instructor of the human race.” (ibid, p. 81)
Hence Adam possessed an angelic intelligence shown “particularly in the fact that he gave names to the animals,” an act highly rated by St. Augustine as an act of the highest wisdom.
By means of Adams spiritual powers he was able to avoid all dangers to his health and so achieved freedom from suffering and death, for though God created man incorruptible, Adams immortality was “not that of the blessed in heaven, who can no longer die (for Adam there) was simply the possibility of not dying. Our first parents, thanks to their spiritual powers, were able to avoid the causes of death, which are either external, like the mischances of nature, or internal, like sickness...” (ibid, p. 82)
God has said “I am the Lord” (Levitcus) In this light can be seen the gravity of the disobedience of Adam and Eve. The forbidden fruit symbolizes Gods’ necessary demand that man and all of creation remains dependent on Him, for life is of God only.
By eating the fruit the human race refuses this recognition by the “act of appropriating to his own use the fruits of the tree in the middle of Paradise, and in doing so makes use of creation to his own desires, as though he were himself the lord of all. This act of disobedience represented the complete reversal of order (evil), an act of rebellion and revolt by which the Creator was rejected and condemned (as Creator of suffering and death) and the creature unlawfully assumed the mastery.” (ibid, p. 92)
The consequences of this act were terrible. Adam and Eve lost the “love and friendship of God...the sanctifying grace and the infused virtues, lost all the gifts...designed to elevate, strengthen and perfect his nature. That nature therefore now remained dependent on itself and, being thus weakened, came under the domination of matter.” (p. 92)
With the loss of supernatural and preternatural gifts the material bodies of Adam and Eve within which their souls were embedded became subject to corruption, that is decay and death (Law of Entropy). And their wills, which had previously maintained dominion over the body, allowing it freedom from concupiscence, ceased to be immune, thus concupiscence drew it toward all things opposite to the nature and character of God, and this is what we call sin, or evil.
As usual, I find myself in general agreement with your excellent essay/posts. Also, as usual, (lacking, rergetfully, the grace with which you address those with differing views) I have entered the discussion by refuting something that I found to be distressing...
For some reason, the binary "my way or the highway" position-taking that pervades these "crevo" threads offends me more and more as I proceed beyond my "threescore and ten" milestone...
Blessings to all -- but be advised that a 3/4-centenarian. believer+scientist curmudgeon has joined the discussion! '-)
AG: I perceive Adam was created in the spiritual realm before he was banished to mortality, the physical realm, and his mortal calendar/clock began
Spirited: Unless my understanding of your stated view is incorrect, what it appears to be saying is that Adams’ fall was from spirit into matter. If this is so, then it is similar in many ways to Western pagan, Gnostic, and Eastern views.
For your consideration, here is what Catholic philosopher Thomas Molnar, now-deceased Visiting Professor of Philosophy at Yale University has to say about this view in his widely-acclaimed, “The Pagan Temptation.”
Molnar reveals that from Plato to Plotinus, it was held as axiomatic that the fall of spirit/souls into the material realm was either inexplicable or explained as punishment. At any rate it was a plunge from being as one with or an aspect of the Divine Substance into the material realm of distinctions, or binary.
In Against the Christians (frag. 77) Porphyry, disciple of Plotinus and Arnobius, writes:
How can one admit that the divine should become an embryo, that after his birth he is put in swaddling clothes, that he is soiled with blood and bile, and worse things yet? (The Pagan Temptation, Thomas Molnar, p. 27)
In Adversus nationes (2.37) Arnobius complains:
If souls were of the Lords race They would never come to these terrestrial places (and) inhabit opaque bodies and (be) mixed with humors and blood, in receptacles of excrement, in vases of urine. (ibid)
As all things are aspects of (in contiunity with) the Divine Substance by whatever name it goes, i.e., watery abyss, Nu, chaos, then human beings have a share of the Divine substance. The fall then is into evil matter and binary. The body being matter it is perceived as a tomb, a receptacle of excrement, from which spirit must escape that it can become one with, or be reabsorbed into, the Divine Substance. Salvation is reabsorption.
Molnar notes that the closest pagan thinkers came to Incarnation was with a purely negative connotation in the teachings of Pythagoras and Empedocles. They taught that souls fallen from the divine Substance are subsequently incarnated in animal forms as punishment.
Incarnation of soul in animal form and then into another form and so on is the basis of evolutionary thinking, fatalism, determinism, reincarnation, karma.
Pre-Christian and early Christian Gnostics were more directly influenced by Eastern systems than were Greek thinkers. The leaders of the Gnostic movementValentiunus, Basilides, Arnobius and otherstaught that the world and bodies are the work of the devil (Yahweh) who holds the Divine Substance (good God..Lucifer) in bondage. Gnostics, or Pneumatics, possess the secret gnosis of escaping this evil world so as to be reabsorbed into the divine substance. Since matter is evil and reabsorption salvation then procreation is evil because it produces more earthly suffering by trapping divine sparks within bodies.
The similarity between Greek and Upanishadic doctrines is striking said Molnar. The Upanishads teach that souls are aspects or particles of the totality. The fall of souls is into bodies. This cosmic rupture is a state of misery for the separated souls because in the body they become limited and divided into individuals, male and female. Rather than oneness (wholeness) there is a binary system of opposites which must be eliminated:
The foremost binary is the distinction between the Creator and the creature. Other binaries then fall like dominosthe binary of right and wrong, for example. We must beware of thinking of good and evil as absolute opposites, says a leading theorist. Modern psychologists tell us that a binary view of reality (as made up of opposites) produces guilt, the hallmark of neurosis. The Hindu notion of Advaita, not two, dominates spirituality and non-dual spirituality is taught even in some evangelical schools. Lesbian activists ask: Can We Put an End to the Gender Binary? (The Advocate.com) because there is no one way a person should be. (May 9, 2012: The Official End of Christendom, Dr. Peter Jones)
Atomists such as Epicurus taught that the all that exists is the void and matter, and that human beings, their intelligence and volition, are an evolved accident of chance. Everything is void and matter, therefore first principles, eternal ideas, souls, spirits, divine reason and afterlife are absurdities. Only reason is left, but reason is active only because sensations (i.e., firing of neurons, chemical interactions) stimulate it.
Epicuruss materialist teachings are the basis of all materialist systems, including the Wests contemporary version, scientific matierialism and its main doctrine, biological evolution.
In contrast to pagan evolutionism, Christianity teaches that the supernatural God is the Ultimate Thinker, the living, personal Creator who called all things into being from nothingcreation ex nihilo. He creates all souls individual and immortal. They are not mere aspects of an unthinking, impersonal substance, but rather they belong to the supernatural God Who speaks:
Behold all souls are mine: as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, the same shall die. Ezekiel 18:4
Again in contrast to pagan doctrine, the Bible traces all human sinfulness to the fact that Adam and Eve sinned. Adam, as the head and father of the human race, is important not only for his own sin, but because in Adam we all sinned. The Genesis account also teaches that Gods judgment on that sin has cosmic effects.
Molnar writes that despite the rise of Christianity a pagan influence persisted underground and in the fourteenth century onward to our own time it has grown increasingly coherent, interconnected, organized and assertive. In the twentieth century the pagan influence and its evolutionary account of origins is so pervasive and seductive that Westerners are increasingly turning from Christianity to seek meaning, salvation, and spiritual powers in pagan spirituality and the occult.
Though the theory of evolution has not captured the hearts and minds of the vast mainstream of American Christians this good news is only for a short time, said Dr. Albert Mohler. And this is because Christians do not know what evolutionary theory really is. Nor do they have any:
understanding of the Bibles message of creation and redemption. We have not only a failure to connect the dots; in too many churches we have a failure to teach the basic truths that will be dots we might want to connect .Doctrinal illiteracy has infected much of evangelicalism, where experience seems to rule over knowledge, and intuition seems to dominate over true intellectual engagement. This bad news gets worse, because generation by generation there will be a greater acceptance of naturalism and evolution simply because the younger generation is so steeped in the educational process and in a secular culture where thats taken for granted. (Creation and Redemption: A Conversation with Albert Mohler, interview with Lael Weinberger, creation.com )