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To: hoosiermama

Logic dictates that any citizenship/guardianship issues had to be resolved by the end of this process.

The grandparents were not going to take on the responsibility without all of these items addressed.

And records people and judges can get very helpful for a child going to through the @#$@#$ like this must have been - a child getting dumped by his mother and returning to her foreign national husband in Indonesia and a (possible) father who lived half a world away and really had nothing to do with him.

So no conpiracy required here. Just a judge and/or records people trying to help a child in trouble.

Indonesia likely needed to see a Hawaii BC with both Obamas on it. That establish SR as the birth father and, according to Indonesian law, allow Obama II’s Indonesian citizenship to be legally terminated. Cutting all ties of citizenship with that troubled country.

So for at least a short period in December 1971 Obama II is 100% Kenyan in the eyes of Indonesia, Kenya and likely the US. The last since this was likely flowing threw embassies since all the parties were in Hawaii during this process. From that point Obama was either declared a refugee and legal guardianship given to the Catholic Services with custodianship going to the grandparents or guardianship was transferred directly to the grandparents. And when done SR was free to go back to Kenya and drink himself to death.

Now some will say Obama never ‘lost his US citizenship’ if he was born in Hawaii. This would be incorrect. If he were born in Hawaii he would not lose his RIGHT TO CLAIM US citizenship upon reaching majority. All 3 countries involved (Indonesia, Kenya and US) probably recognized him as 100% Indonesian between 1968 and 1971, then 100% Kenyan in 1971 and then....???????. His mother was an Indonesian Citizen according to Indonesia. So he WAS an Indonesian citizen. That is likely why he had to come off her passport in 1968. He received his own Indonesian passport and it was used traveling back and forth to the US. Remember the 1969 picture with Scott at Chritmas time. What passport did Obama travel on then? Likely Indonesian. There is NO proof or evidence of him being on a US passport in 1969. In fact, there is specific evidence that he WAS NOT on any any US passport in 1969 - the record showing the removal off his mothers US passport in 1968.

So the question is what passport did Obama II use between late 1968 and 1971 when entering the US? If you are a US citizen it better be a US passport. If Obama entered the US in 1969 during the trip with the photo of Scott with an Indonesian passport that would show he definitely was not a US citizen at the time. And thus he would have had to ‘naturalize’ to regain his US citizenship. And a ‘naturalized’ citizen is not a ‘natural born Citizen’.

Records from 1968 to 1972, especially passport and INS records would interesting and fill in a lot of gaps.

At times I think 1961 is honey pot to keep the bees away from the more telling period.


155 posted on 07/20/2012 4:44:55 PM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: bluecat6

Yelp ‘61 is the magician’s hand waving in the air keepin us from observing the actual slight of hand., And every one
(freepers included) who points us in the direction of 61 is suspect. We only need the who’s that biological daddy and mommy information if we’re writing a book. Otherwise it’s just distraction. Have called a couple out on that. They got very defensive....too bad.


156 posted on 07/20/2012 4:55:19 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: bluecat6

Family, friends, grandparents NO ONE can take on education and medical responsibility by themselves. It must be done legally though the courts system. If you even leave your child for a week or two you should leave a notorized letter transfering medical guardianship to their caretaker in case of emergency...On the long term, it must be done through the court.


157 posted on 07/20/2012 5:00:18 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: bluecat6

Yelp....Citizenship goes back to the Hague. Any country that does not allow joint citizenship will be considered the sole country of citizen. Indonesia did not allow joint citizenship....Case closed. So if he was a citizen of Indonesia..He was a citizen of Indonesia NOT joint of Kenya, or US.


158 posted on 07/20/2012 5:03:37 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: bluecat6; SvenMagnussen

Have you seen Sven’s post that he naturalized in 83? Sven has said where but I’m certainly in no position to check it out and he won’t/can’t provide documentation.


159 posted on 07/20/2012 5:08:05 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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