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To: Forty-Niner
as I recall the Constitution is not the suicide pact you seem to think it is. The US goverment is tasked by the Constitution with providing for the common defense.

And who said that such a stance wouldn't?
Seems to me that they have done just that with the armed forces as currently constituted...

If even the basic structure outlined in the Constitution for the Armed forces cannot be followed, then what makes you think that any of it can?
Or, to put it another way, if the Air Force can be granted legitimacy outside of the Constitution, then why can't the ACA [ObamaCare] also be granted legitimacy? Oh, wait, it was. And for the same reason: The constitution has no respect from those in government.

It's ridiculous to say "we want the Constitution followed" and then ignore what the Constitution says.
And in any case, if such agencies are needful to the "common defence" the Constitution can be amended to allow for them... if they need to be separate at all. (I'd rather see them under the Army and Navy; just keep the two branches and let them be subsections -- it's a hell of a lot simpler that way.)

68 posted on 07/09/2012 12:19:41 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

“(I’d rather see them under the Army and Navy; just keep the two branches and let them be subsections — it’s a hell of a lot simpler that way.)”

Nosing around, I smell former dog meat. Doggies are the only ones I know of that want to centralize military power in their own hands (or their’s with an initial nod to the Navy in your case). Your views on this subject are not particularily original.

A similiar scheme was tried under Truman with Gen Eisenhower testifying before Congress for passage of “elemental” armed forces per JCS memorandum 1478, a classified Pentagon document that attemppted to hide from Vinson’s Congressional oversight committee. 1478’s stated long term goal was to eliminate major sections of the other branches or incorporate them within the Army..... creating a sort of American version of the recently defeated German High Command.... Rep Carl Vinson stopped that wrong headed nonsense in it’s tracks....

You’ll note that the Navy has a Carrier christened USS Carl Vinson in his honor for his efforts in this area. You can claim “Constitution” all ya want, but it only serves to illustrate your ignorance or reveal a hidden agenda ala the old JCS 1478 Army scheme...

The Marine Corp, and Navy, predate the Constitution by several years in continuious service to the nation, while the Army was in fact disbanded post the Rev War, as I recall. Post Rev War Americans were rather fond of their Navy and Marines, but not so much enamored with a standing Army......

“Or, to put it another way, if the Air Force can be granted legitimacy outside of the Constitution, then why can’t the ACA [ObamaCare] also be granted legitimacy? Oh, wait, it was.”

The Air Force is a legitimate because of the tax powers of the Congress???? Who knew! You’re reaching too far pal, back to the sandbox with ya! (I suspect that you are both young and inexperienced...it shows.)


69 posted on 07/09/2012 6:40:32 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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