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The REALITY Is: Today's Conservative Optimism is a Delusion!
IFB ^ | 7/1/12

Posted on 07/01/2012 5:31:29 AM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman

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1 posted on 07/01/2012 5:31:34 AM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

“The REALITY Is: Today’s Conservative Optimism is a Delusion! “

In the words of Reagan:

“Awwww shut up”

If you think it is all over then quit your job, give away all of your stuff, and go live in the woods.

You certainly have no reason to be goofing around on the internet.


2 posted on 07/01/2012 5:41:58 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Oh Geeze,thanks for the article, Mr. Happy.

The Roberts ruling was NOT good for the conservatives but it wasn’t the end of the world. There are still things we can do.

I’m glad some of the gloom-and-doom conservatives (Mr, fisherman) weren’t in the army with George Washington. He lost battles time after time after time and yet defeated the most powerful military in the world (at the time) with passionate, determined, smart patriots. We don’t give up – the Libs certainly don’t. We have to fight to the finish for conservatism.

Read this article about the Roberts ruling. It may help you feel better:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/randy-barnett-says-roberts-tax-power-argument-is-lame-but-easily-fixed/article/2501028

Donate to some of the conservatives who have a decent chance of beating a Dem.

Please, anyone thinking of voting for Gary Johnson RETHINK your decision. Yep, I’m not happy either with Romney but gone are the days of electing anyone and not being “all over” their every move and decision. VIGILANCE ! We are going to make him(Romney) govern as a conservative, one way or another.. same with a Republican congress.

Voting for a 3rd party is being a baby.

“Wah, wah, wah, my candidate didn’t win so I’m not going to vote for who did win.”

Grow the F*** up. This is war, not middle school.

stenwin77 on July 1, 2012 at 8:41 AM


3 posted on 07/01/2012 5:46:04 AM PDT by Reagan69 (I supported Sarah Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD !)
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To: VanDeKoik

Hey JC I didn’t expect you back this soon!


4 posted on 07/01/2012 5:47:48 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Without faith there is no opitmizim. We have Faith & HOPE


5 posted on 07/01/2012 5:49:32 AM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (Things aren't as good as they should be and its Obama's fault, the resident said)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

I know that the Good Guys win in the end.


6 posted on 07/01/2012 5:54:47 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Reagan69

“We have to fight to the finish for conservatism.”

True, but is voting for whatever liberal clown the Going On Progressive party runs because he’s not as bad as Obama really fighting for conservatism?

“Voting for a 3rd party is being a baby.”

Since you brought up George Washington, would our founding fathers vote for the “lesser of two evils” Obama/Romney, or would they vote for George Washington if he was running against those two flaming libtards as a third party candidate?


7 posted on 07/01/2012 5:59:15 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: Reagan69
Well said. I guess for many on this board, Tokyo Rose and Lord Haw Haw were actually great Amercian and British patriots just trying to wise up their countrymen on the "reality" of the situation.


8 posted on 07/01/2012 6:08:17 AM PDT by HerrBlucher ( Romney blows with the political winds, Obama just blows.)
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To: HerrBlucher; The Ignorant Fisherman
Yup. Faithless surrender monkey. Real conservatism is optimistic at its core. It believes unflinchingly in the principles laid out by our Founding Fathers and the certainty that they will prevail in the end. Conservatism also believes that those values are worth fighting and dying for.

What doesn't kill us makes us stronger. We only learn through adversity and pain, and this minor setback shouldn't deter us from the moral certainty of our rightness and the historical certainty that conservative principles are the only principles that will allow people to be free and still be governed.
9 posted on 07/01/2012 6:20:55 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Member of the BBB Club - Bye-Bye-Barry!!! President Barack "Down Low" Obama)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
Still a bit of rope left, so let's not give it all up now. We still haven't entered the End Times 9or the Bible and its scholars have sadly misjudged the sequence/time-frame of the events), but we are definitley seeing signs. Many will continue to become martyrs by doing what they can to see Romney fail and to elevate Obama to supreme dictator, but we need to follow Christ's footsteps - even He lost it and trashed the tables of the hypocritical money changers and todays politicians are nothing more than that.

They now want to study the "radicalization of Christians" and I respond, "Onward Christian Soldiers!".

10 posted on 07/01/2012 6:30:51 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
Let's all embrace Socialism or better yet Communism over the US Constitution. We will all be better off under Godless Democrats and Progressives.

/Sarcasm OFF

11 posted on 07/01/2012 6:47:11 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: VanDeKoik; The Ignorant Fisherman

VDK, could not have said it better!

Pessimist claiming to be conservative and Christian? I don’t think so.

As my Grandma used to say “must have gotten up on the wrong side of the bed”.


12 posted on 07/01/2012 6:53:45 AM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
Prophetically speaking, we are now positioned in the time leading up to the great climactic outworking of history: the War of all the Ages with Lucifer and his demonic horde pitted against the Eternal Sovereignty and Reign of Almighty God (Isaiah 14:12-17, Ezekiel 28:12-19).

That war has been going on for a long time.

Lo, the conflict of the ages is upon us today,
And the armies are assembling all in battle array;
Are you numbered with the faithful, one of God’s loyal few,
Who have sworn Him full allegiance? can He count upon you?

Catch the vision of a lost world going downward in sin,
While the Master’s great commission long unheeded has been;
See the children of the kingdom joined in heart and in hand,
Pressing forward in the struggle to redeem this fair land.

Have your eyes caught the vision?
Have your hearts felt the thrill?
To the call of the Master do you answer, "I will"?
For the conflict of the ages, told by prophets and by sages,
In its fury is upon us, is upon us today.

--Lelia N. Morris, 1905

13 posted on 07/01/2012 6:54:55 AM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

The problem here is that the vast majority of Christianity is very optimistic. Only offshoots like Calvinism embrace pessimism.

Likewise, Judaism tends to an odd sort of pessimism of an almost Asiatic variety. And it and Christianity do not mesh well because this fundamental difference runs so deep that it even includes their interpretations of human history.

A good way to describe the Jewish view is as a sine wave. When times are very bad for the Jews, their inclination is to become more religious, moral and righteous, and because of this they are rewarded with better times, increased prosperity and well being. But when times are good, they stray from their faith, lose their moral underpinnings and misbehave, which leads to their downfall and punishment.

This leads to a pessimistic outlook, because if times are good, despair, oppression and poverty is just around the corner.

Using the same model, however, Christianity is like a sawtooth wave. Their view of history is that, left to our own devices, mankind will invariably degenerate into a moral cesspool. But when we are at a low ebb, a great spiritual leader, like the Biblical patriarchs and even Jesus, comes along and very abruptly elevates mankind to a great spiritual and moral height.

This lends itself to great optimism, as the worse things get, the closer mankind is to having a great spiritual revival. It even reaches a point that before the greatest of all spiritual evolutions, even mankind is not debauched enough to descend so low, that a powerful, unearthly and evil being will drive us all down into the basement.

So how does this relate to conservative optimism?

Conservatives are optimistic because they temper their optimism with realism. They reject idealistic perfectionism on Earth, as well as the efforts by the left to achieve it.

The left screams that (to quote Josef Stalin), “You can’t make an omelet without breaking some eggs.”

But conservatives point out that vast numbers of eggs can be broken and still not make an omelet, because that is the left’s entire recipe, to break eggs.

That, combined with the fact that those leftists that embrace the international socialism movement are inherently anti-national sovereign, anti-patriotic, and are opposed to any unique American culture, provides more than adequate motivation for conservatives to both oppose them and be optimistic.

Because leftists are ignorant, naive and ineffectual. They can only tear down, they cannot create, because they are fools.


14 posted on 07/01/2012 7:13:03 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

You sound like my FIL.


15 posted on 07/01/2012 7:14:16 AM PDT by OKSooner (Never take a "known safety risk" shooting with you even if he is an ordained minister.)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

We need to look to history before thinking about a third party candidate.
Flash back 1992, Bush v Clinton, nobody was happy with that pairing and with the MSM hyping “Read my lips” and the Ross Perot pie charts we wound up with Billy Jeff for 8 years.
The dims are very good at looking to history, understanding what happened and tweaking that outcome to manipulate the future.
Our October surprise will be an “almost charismatic” (which Ross wasn’t) third party candidate that will be used to split the conservative and the independent votes. (something H Ross could not do).


16 posted on 07/01/2012 7:49:24 AM PDT by free thinker 03 (Wouldn't it be refreshing if politicians actually listened to the people who elected them)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I know that the Good Guys win in the end.

I know that the God wins in the end.

The scripture says, "He that trusts in man is under a curse."
Decades ago I heard someone say the political and social pendulums swing to the left and then back to the right. I've noticed the social pendulum never seems to swung back. The depravity in the US just keeps slowly getting worse.

I'll continue to vote conservative, but I won't put my hope in conservatism. Hope in God. Come Lord Jesus.

17 posted on 07/01/2012 8:02:59 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
What conservative optimism? What is conservative optimism?

18 posted on 07/01/2012 9:53:31 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: X-spurt

My friend the word you forget to label me with is REALIST. Remember 1938?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_for_our_time

Were the realist of that day pessimistic also... same truth different setting.


19 posted on 07/02/2012 1:34:22 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: BornToBeAmerican

My friend,

In what do you have faith or hope in? Faith has to be locked onto someone or something (Heb. 11:1,6). Hope, faith and optimism flouting around as a cloud is a delusion.


20 posted on 07/02/2012 1:59:45 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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